Talk:Szklarska Poręba
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editIs the category Mountains of Poland appropriate? JanSuchy 15:11, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
I don't think its the best possible. Hopefully one called 'Ski resorts of Poland' can be creted soon. Patek 23:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Before 1617 in Prussia
edit"Schreiberhau greatly expanded and became the biggest village in Prussia with 15 districts and a size of 4300 hectare. In 1617 the Preußler family migrated from the southern Bohemian" How is that possible ? --Molobo (talk) 15:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC) Town authorities speak about biggest village in Sudetes not Prussia.--Molobo (talk) 15:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
I added some sourced information.--Molobo (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2008 (UTC) Also all of Poland was under German control in 1939-1944, there is no need to state this out of historic context. If we want to mention all previous owners we should also mention Poland, Bohemia, Austria, Prussia, Weimar Republic.--Molobo (talk) 15:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Dubious statements by Polish authorities of the city
editMolobo added the following statements which are backed up by the official website (?) of Szklarska Poręba:
1) The village was created on a spot bought by Knights Hospitaler chapter from Cieplice.
The linked Cieplice by Molobo is wrong. It's Calidus Fons/Bad Warmbrunn/Cieplice (part of Jelenia Gora today) just some kilometers down in the valley. The Knights Hospitalers appeared there in 1281, but the chapter was donated by Gotsche II Schoff in 1403, 40 years after the village was first mentioned.
2) Especially the "laboranci" were important to development of herbal craft.
These Laboranten were famous, but famous only for the village of Krummhübel, today Karpacz. No German travel guide of the 19th or 20th century mentions Laboranten in Schreiberhau, and they should know it. A quick search: History of Pharmacy (1904) gives "... gleich den schlesischen Laboranten (die in und um Krummhübel wohnten und ihre Weisheit und ihre Wesenheit auf in ihre Gegend geflohene, aus Prag vertriebene Studenten) zurückführten..." which basically means that they came from Prague and lived in and around Krummhübel, today Karpacz. Karasek (talk) 18:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for the source, but we have a modern one from city itself. XIX century sources are not as reliable as modern ones.--Molobo (talk) 11:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- At Recovered Territories you stated that "It seems quite normal that Poles learned about Polish history, and weren't keen on learning German history that involved their attempted genocide.". It's interesting that people who live in this village only since 1945 and, understandably, ignored the German history of their new home, know more about the history of the place than the people which actually lived there for 600 years. Talk about reliable sources. But anyway. A source from 2005 which supports my view [1] and a travelogue from 1804 [2]. Three sources. A eyewitness account(!) from 1804, a source from 1905, 20 years after the last Laborant had died, and a new source.Karasek (talk) 19:12, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- The area was multiethnic we don't know if all people live there only from 1945. As stated already old German sources are not as reliable as city authorites. And of course Poles as society are not the same as authorities who document information.--Molobo (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
- These city authorities can hardly be called reliable sources. I edited two places in the area, and both times the city authorities made claims which I refuted with several sources, most of them new. It is however pretty difficult to document the absence of something, since most sources only describe existing things. Under these circumstances three sources aren't bad. And I can offer several other old and new sources which know Laboranten in Karpacz, but not in Szklarska Poręba. Karasek (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- These city authorities can hardly be called reliable sources.This is your view. Unless sources are presented there is nothing that would justify removing official city sources. RS:Noticeboard discussion came to conclusion that as long as they are named in controversial cases that city authortities are notable source of information on the cty.--Molobo (talk) 17:47, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
- These city authorities can hardly be called reliable sources. I edited two places in the area, and both times the city authorities made claims which I refuted with several sources, most of them new. It is however pretty difficult to document the absence of something, since most sources only describe existing things. Under these circumstances three sources aren't bad. And I can offer several other old and new sources which know Laboranten in Karpacz, but not in Szklarska Poręba. Karasek (talk) 17:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
- The area was multiethnic we don't know if all people live there only from 1945. As stated already old German sources are not as reliable as city authorites. And of course Poles as society are not the same as authorities who document information.--Molobo (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2008 (UTC)