Talk:Sunday shopping

Canada

Didn't the Canadian provinces adopt Sunday shopping at different times? How was that justified in wake of the Supreme Court's decision. I thought Ontario, for example, didn't have Sunday Shopping until the early 90's.

Here is when they adopted it and how:

British Columbia - 1985 - upon striking down of federal law, no other laws made (provincial law struck down 1980)

Alberta - 1985 - upon striking down of federal law, no provincial law existed at the time

Saskatchewan - 1988 - upon striking down of provincial law

Manitoba - 1993 - amendments of existing legislation

Ontario - 1992 - amendments of existing legislation (original law faced court challenge 1990, upheld 1991)

Quebec - 1992 - amendments of existing legislation

New Brunswick - 1996 (limited), 2003 (full) - amendments of existing legislation, exceptions added

Nova Scotia - no Sunday shopping

Prince Edward Island - 1992 (limited) - amendments of existing legislation

Newfoundland and Labrador - 1997 - amendments of existing legislation

• I'm not sure. Maybe they invoked the notwithstanding clause? --Westendgirl 07:30, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Although R. v. Big M Drug Mart said the closing laws are not valid federal law, it is a valid provinical matter. The leading case on this is R. v. Edwards Books Ltd., which said that a day of rest for service workers is perfectly fine. Although it may violate the charter it can be justified under section 1. --PullUpYourSocks 13:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• I noticed that the legalizing of Sunday Shopping started in the west and is moving east. Not suprised at all. rasblue 00:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Ireland

This page is wrong here in ireland tesco has had 24 hr opening 7 days a week since Christmas 2004

• So then change the entry and add a reference. A photo of the Tesco advert listing its 24/7 status would be great. rasblue 00:26, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Nova Scotia

I think that the discussion of the plebiscite needs to be explored more. The question was flawed and confusing to voters, there was an obvious rural bias in the way the plebisicite was run (putting it on a municipal ballot which has low urban turnout and high rural turnout traditionally) and the fact that the urban centres voted in favor but the overwhelming rural turnout requires more indepth examination of the results. Additionally the majority of rural stores fall under the 4000 sq. ft rule so even though much of rural Nova Scotia voted against Sunday shopping they still can shop on Sundays and were voting with other political and religious blocs. If I get the chance I will add. Wonnkabe 14:06, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I hope you won't add any garbage like that to the article. First of all, the question was not confusing, it was rather simple and that is just an argument put forth by supporters of sunday shopping. Secondly, the fact that plebicite was tied to "a municipal ballot which has low urban turnout and high rural turnout traditionally" is irrelevant and certainly not a rural bias. If urbanites didn't vote, it was due to laziness, because they were not prevented from voting in any way. It also does not matter that "the urban centres voted in favor", it was a provincial plebicite, the results were not tallied based on an urban/rural division, just yes or no. So let's keep assumptions and unprovable assertions out of the article, because the don't belong in it. I'm not even going to bother with your "political and religious blocs" statement.--BoyoJonesJr 16:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The question(s) on the ballot read as such:

Should there be Sunday shopping in retail businesses now not permitted to be open on Sunday?

   * Yes
   * No 

If there is to be Sunday shopping, should it be:

   * on every Sunday
   * only the six Sundays immediately before Christmas  

Therefore every voter has two options for two questions, giving four possible combinations:

   * No to Sunday shopping, but if you must, only open for the six Sundays before Christmas.
   * No to Sunday shopping, but if you must, open all year round.
   * Yes to Sunday shopping, but only the six Sundays before Christmas.
   * Yes to Sunday shopping all year round. 

Seems quite convoluted to me and I voted.

You're obviously a rural Nova Scotian who voted against yet it I ask you, is your local store open on Sunday? Do you shop on Sunday? What about purchase gas? Eat at a restaurant? Take a plane, train, bus or cab? Even our current backwoods Premiere was caught doing some Sunday shopping in Mabou. I think that the rural/urban split is the crux of this whole issue. All the rural stores fall under the 4000 sq ft rule and can therefore be opened which means every two-bit community can have Jim Bob's grocery open but those of us who live in the city are being punished for having fully stocked stores. I think that if this were as cut and dry a case as you try to make it seem we would not have the current legal battle between Sobeys and the province. Religious and political blocs have a lot to do with it. Those who live in smaller communities with the aforementioned opened stores can get milk and eggs on Sunday but still think they're going to heaven because they voted how their pastor told them to on the plebiscite. The whole thing is contrived and contradictory. I think the MacDonald government has realized that and will leave it to the courts to deal with, which will result in Sunday shopping being passed Wonnkabe 19:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The plebicite was assuming the status quo, stores under 4000 sqft, restaurants, gas stations, pharmacies etc remaining open was the outcome of a no vote. But to argue with someone who cannot carry on a mature and adult discourse and is unable to avoid childish name calling would be useless. Just keep your POV crap out of the article. --BoyoJonesJr 19:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

What does "wide-open shopping" mean?

This phrase appears only in the "Canada" section of the article, so I assume it's a specifically Canadian term: I don't recall seeing it used here in the UK. Of course it's pretty obvious what the phrase means in general, but I was wondering whether there was any legally specific definition of the term. 217.33.74.203 (talk) 12:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

More than ten years later, and still no reply! I came here looking to pose the same question. A search for examples of its use elsewhere does seem to show that the phrase occurs only in a Canadian context (increasing the suspicion that it has some kind of legal definition in that country). It may, on the other hand, be no more than a piece of journalese (a headline usage, perhaps) that has taken root there. I propose changing wide-open shopping to the less arcane-sounding unrestricted shopping, unless anyone can persuade me why I shouldn't. -- Picapica (talk) 18:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

The courts did not strike down Sunday shopping in Nova Scotia

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[ http://decisions.courts.ns.ca/nssc/2006/2006nssc290.html] On the court web site the Judge clearly quotes the lawyers remarks -"Well, what this application is about is not about social or political considerations. It’s not about the appropriateness of Sunday shopping, nor is it about the power of the legislature to pass an Act dealing with Sunday shopping. This case, this application is about one fact and it is about the scope of the Cabinet’s power to pass Regulations pursuant to the Act." I decided to look even further into this court decision and I came up with some more web sites telling us the same thing.

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[4] Quote from this web site " It should be noted that this was not really a case about Sunday shopping, but rather the scope of Cabinet’s power to pass regulations under the Act. The judge ruled that the wording of the Act which gave Cabinet the power to make regulations did not give Cabinet the power to discriminate between different types of businesses by size (i.e. square footage), corporate structure or the kinds of goods and services offered." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saveoursundays (talk • contribs) 17:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Opening Hours in China and Hong Kong

The information on this part is inconsistent with the following Wikipedia page [5] and should be changed. The information in the link is correct, which means the opening hours for China and Hong Kong are not regulated by law. In busier areas like Tsim Sha Tsui, shops are opened for a longer period of time, but the opening hours are decided by the shopowners.Catarinacong (talk) 14:18, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Serious Issues with this "article"

1. Take a look at the intro. It mentions christianity in every sentance and has a 404 error returning LYCOS MEMBER FREE WEBPAGE AS A SOURCE!!! Please change it immediatly!

Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Si Trew (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

2. Why is Christianity and Sabbath mentioned over and over again? Every time christianity is mentioned there are no sources available to back it up. If religion would really play a political role in sunday shopping legislation why not inculde Israel?

Israel has some Christians, but of those who are religious it is chiefly Jewish (whose sabbath starts on Friday evening) and Muslims (whose Sabbath is Friday). So not particularly relevant to an article about sunday trading as opposed to trading on the sabbath. Si Trew (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Religion MAY be the origin of sunday non-shopping, but today there are different reasons.

Which is why, for example, the mention is made of the Keep Sunday Special campaign, many of whose members are not religious but want to restrict sunday trading for other reasons such as worker protection. Si Trew (talk) 10:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

3. The first title of the article entitled "Arguments in favour of Sunday shopping" contains a reference (https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Sunday_shopping#cite_note-IEA-3) to a likely bogus and biased towards liberalization of Sunday shopping article published by unverifiable author "Karthik Reddy" on IEA.org.uk website which is a self-described "free-market think-tank". The presentation of the reference itself is non-transparent to say the least. The reference I am relating to has assigned number 3 and it appears at the bottom of the article as "IEA". This is contrary to any rules about cite notes. The actual cited article is at the following URL: https://iea.org.uk/blog/regulating-shop-opening-hours-harms-both-consumers-and-workers. The author of the cited web article presents seemingly scientific and based on economical analysis he conducted strong arguments against limiting Sunday shopping but, does not cite any actual sources. Author himself is not introduced either and does not appear to have any credentials in the matter of Sunday shopping. The cited web article looks like and, most likely is, a piece of propaganda and not a scholarly article. Wikipedia citing this web article as reliable and scientific source lowers itself to the very low level of the article it cites as source of knowledge. Any and all arguments based on the cited web document should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FA48:6E26:8A90:5D04:FDF:4358:FDEC (talk) 13:41, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Norway

According to the article, "In Norway only gas stations, flower nurseries and food shops that are smaller than 100 m2 (square metres) are allowed to operate on Sundays. For special occasions such as Christmas shopping there are exceptions". But this isn't true -- for instance I know of record stores that are open on Sundays. Unfortunately I was not able to find the relevant paragraph in Norwegian law. Does anyone know exactly what the restrictions are? --Aqwis (talk) 21:26, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

The text of the relevant Act is here: https://lovdata.no/dokument/NL/lov/1995-02-24-12 -- see § 5. Salg fra faste utsalgssteder (Sale from permanent outlets) -- Picapica (talk) 19:00, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Scotland

I am not able to add references at this time, though they are all to be found in the Stornoway Gazette. Perhaps someone else with readier access can do it.

In the 1950's, one could buy a newspaper in Inverness but it was commonplace to hide it from view when carrying it away. Of course it is the Monday paper that is printed on Sunday but that has never recognised in observance.

In the Western Isles in the early 1970's a Stornoway cinema which had shown Jesus Christ Superstarwas cursed by a minister and shortly after closed due, it was said, to fire safety issues. A decade later, several promient clery refused to officiate at any wedding if the reception was to be held in one of the larger hotels which had openly opened its bar on Sundays. When the owner's house was reduced to rubble due to a gas explosion it was said to be God's judgement. To the astonishment of the staff in the hospital a few yards away, none of the 14 people present including two plumbers, four Norwegian lodgers, a baby and a pregnant woman was fatally injured,

In about 2003 the first air service was met by a few protesters, but welcomed by a larger number of mostly men who celebrated in the two pubs which sold Sunday newspapers on Sunday for the first time. Previously they were available at about 16:00 on Monday (and Sunday Noon in Continental cities or Saturday in London Airports).

In 2010 after several years of Calmac proposing the idea, the first Ullapool to Stornoway ferry service began with (according to the Stornoway Gazette) an on-board party enjoyed by some who had made the journey for no other reason. Many years before a BBC telephone poll had shown that those under 30 were mostly in favour, and those over 30 against. The majority was not at that time in favour but it appeared certain that it soon would be due to generation death.

80.189.37.53 (talk) 16:20, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

This article and Blue laws

Not sure what the division of labor is or should be between the two articles... AnonMoos (talk) 01:28, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Israel

What about Saturday shopping and Sunday shopping in Israel? --84.61.181.19 (talk) 15:09, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

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Poland 2018–2020

Isn’t it too early to list these planned changes in Polish regulations scheduled in 2019 and 2020 as certain? Anything could happen in the 1 1/2 years until they would come into effect – for example, they could be abolished, the President could resign or even die (I hope). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norty Three and a Half de Rákospalota (talk • contribs) 23:25, 16 September 2018 (UTC)