Talk:Statue of Heydar Aliyev, Mexico City

Current location?

Do we know the current location? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:52, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Okay, so here's the thing:

• The statue was placed on 22 August 2012 and unveiled by Marcelo Ebrard.
• The statue was paid by the Embassy of Azerbaijan. They also donated money to restore Tlaxcoaque Plaza and "Friendship Plaza" (Plaza de la Amistad).
• The statue was removed in the middle of midnight, 26 January 2013, amid protests from neighbors, who didn't want the statue of "a dictator" near.
• The statue was stored in Azcapotzalco after that.
• The statue was located in an unnamed private residence in Lomas de Chapultepec as of November 2013.
• As of November 2013, Azerbaijan had decided to withdraw 3.8B dollars for investments in the country.
• As of 2015, there were intentions to install it in the then-new location of the Embassy of Azerbaijan, Paseo de la Reforma, 660, donated by the Government of Mexico City.

References

I'll need to verify if the statue is there. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 23:39, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Tbhotch, Thank you for this additional information. Please do share an update if you're able to verify whether or not the statue is installed at the Embassy of Azerbaijan. Thanks again! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:08, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

So apparently the embassy is not located at Reforma, but at Bosques de las Lomas, where it has been located since 2007 (their Facebook; their website is down). That house at Paseo de la Reforma seems to be a normal residence (according to Google Street) or the embassy gives it another use. Unfortunately, I can't determine the current location of the statue (especially because the embassy has a beautiful white wall blocking the view). Right now I'm working on a metro station. All I'm missing to write is about the land expropriation and the related prostests. After that I'll help you expanding this one. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:49, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Tbhotch, Thanks again ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:17, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

      Hi. I have completed the expansion, and I'm only missing the archive-urls and the translation of the titles. I am still hesitating about which could be the DYK element (or if it should be posted on January 26). If you want to co-nominate it I have no problem. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 00:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Tbhotch, Thanks for expanding the article! I don't bother with DYK, but you're welcome to submit a hook if you'd like. Great work here! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW, I almost always submit requests for review by the Guild of Copy Editors for GA noms, if you'd appreciate another set of eyes. Either way, good luck at GAN! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 23:34, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

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Former location (for ALT0)

Heydar Aliyev (for ALT2)

• ... that the statue of Heydar Aliyev in Mexico City was meant to be displayed for 99 years, but was removed after five months (former location pictured)? Source: "[The Azrbaijani Embassy] said the city government had signed an agreement stipulating the monument should be allowed to remain in the spot for 99 years." (Aljazeera)
  • ALT1:... that the statue of Heydar Aliyev was brought to Mexico City from Azerbaijan by ship? Source: "...incluso si ésta implica el retiro o la reubicación de la estatua de bronce, tallada en Azerbaiyán y traída a México en barco. [...including if this implies removing or relocating the bronze statue sculpted in Azerbaijan and brought to Mexico by ship.]" (Excélsior)
  • ALT2:... that after removing the statue of Heydar Aliyev, Azerbaijan's "national hero" (pictured), it was disposed "into a dirt yard strewn with debris"? Source: "A Web video of the statue’s removal shows it being unloaded into a dirt yard, strewn with debris and stacks of bricks. It’s an ignominious fate for the hero of a nation." (Slate)
  • ALT3:... that the installation of a statue of Heydar Aliyev in Mexico City was called "disrespectful and insensitive" by protesters? Source: "Una protesta de vecinos, activistas ambientales y defensores de los derechos humanos [...] se manifestaron en contra de la efigie inaugurada un mes antes por Marcelo Ebrard [...] y solicitaron su retiro al considerar 'una falta de respeto y sensibilidad' que un 'dictador' estuviera en la avenida más representativa del DF. [A protest of neighbors, environment activist and human rights defenders [...] manifested against the effigy inaugurated a month before by Marcelo Ebrard [...] and requested it to be removed as they consider 'disrespectful and insensitive' that a 'dictator' was in the most representative avenue of Mexico City." (Excélsior)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Agelenopsis aperta

5x expanded by Tbhotch (talk). Self-nominated at 21:09, 17 November 2020 (UTC).

• ALT0. Article meets requirements. The non-free image in the article has an appropriate use rationale. ALT0 is interesting, and is accompanied by a freely licenced picture which works at a small scale. ALT1 says "Mexico City" while the article says only "Mexico", and there's a bit of overland to get through, but it is at any rate less interesting. ALTs 2 and 3 are not as interesting and dip their toe into NPOV-concern territory. CMD (talk) 17:01, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

POV tag

Resolved

@Azerilies: I assume you plan on sharing the reason for the POV tag you've added?

User:Nthep and User:Grandmaster, putting this discussion on your radar since you reverted recent edits. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:35, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Upage: Tbhotch has removed the tag. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:13, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

The tag is unjustifed. The current position of the OSCE Minsk Group, which includes the nations of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Turkey, is to call the February 26 incident the "Khojaly massacre". Not only is the name of our article, it is also the most common name by external sources. If the goverments of Azerbaijan and Turkey whitewash their conflicts this is not the place (or even website) to discuss it. @Azerilies: carefully read the message Nthep left you on your talk page. There are discretionary sanctions active on articles related to Armenia and Azerbaijan. If you continue unilaterally editing articles related to the topic of Armenia and Azerbaijan to fulfill your own position on the topic, "any uninvolved administrator is authorised to place: revert and move restrictions, interaction bans, topic bans, and blocks of up to one year in duration, or other reasonable measures that the enforcing administrator believes are necessary and proportionate for the smooth running of the project." (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:24, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

I think we should wait for the outcome of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ClassicYoghurt. But the user name alone is a good a reason for block. One cannot create user names offensive to ethnic groups or nations. Azeri lies? Grandmaster 10:08, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Marking section as resolved since editor has been blocked. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:17, 11 December 2021 (UTC)