Talk:Siwash Rock

This title should be capitalized

Resolved

It's a proper placename and should be fully capitalized. Notice to change, with this page becoming ar redirect?Skookum1 21:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Done. heqs 07:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Indigenous History

I'll talk to my elders, find some papers on it, and see what I can do with the history behind "Siwash Rock". I heard the story when I was growing up a lot and know bits and pieces (The Transformers, his two wives, his coming son, etc.) But I'll find some more sources to put the whole story on here. The story that is linked to the Stanley Park website is alright but, pretty obscure. Should I find it and add it? OldManRivers 00:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Sure! Of course!! I know the Pauline Johnson version, as told to her by Joe Capilano, which is beautifully-written; the Squamish original would be best to have, but different/all versions can be present.Skookum1 01:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay. The name of siwash rock is slhxi'7elsh, which translates to "standing up". I have this sheet for of place names for all over Great Vancouver, Howe Sound, and Squamish. Do you know how I can use letters with underlines (_) under letters like "k", "x", and "w". I've been adding the place-names to sites, but some of the spelling in the orthography is of course, our own. Also, I don't know the IPA. I have places for Jericho Beach, Kitsilano Beach, Spanish Banks, Wrech Beach, Point Grey, False Creek/Granvile Island/Vanier Park, Second Beach, English Bay Beach, English Bay/Denman Street, and, the lists goes on...lol OldManRivers 18:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I added that spelling to the text, with Slahkayulsh in brackets as an alternative. I believe the source for Slahkayulsh is from an interview with Andrew Paull in the 1930s by Major Mathews, who wrote it how he thought it sounded. Are Squamish place names not published somewhere? If not, they should be. On related note, there is, or was, a large rock in the vicinity that was also part of the legend - the mother or wife, something like that, can't remember the details right now. I've seen old photos, but it'd be interesting to find out if it's still there. I went along the trail up above a little while ago, but didn't see anything that fit the description. I'd be interested to see a version not filtered through Maj. Mathews or Pauline Johnson, because I get the sense that the moral point of the story might have been distorted somehow. It's not clear to me whether Siwash was transformed as a reward, making him immortal, or as a punishment for being defiant. As for the underlining, I have no idea. But I find the best way to learn how to do things on Wikipedia is to find an article where it's done, click "edit this page" and copy and paste what you need. Of course, finding where it's already used would likely be the tricky part. Bobanny 19:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I know the rock you speak of. That rock is his second wife that was transformed by the Xaays. Yeah, it gets distorted a long the way a bit, but I'm going to ask my teacher about his version of the story (why he was transformed is one of my questions also). I don't have the name of his wife/the rock, but I'll ask too. There kind of isn't a "published" source for the place names, except the written stuff and oral histories that been done by my nation. It's been a collection of elders, historians, archaeological research and everything. It's probably the most comprehensive archive of my peoples history, except it's guarded well. Any/most community members can go through, but otherwise, it's just a bit of something we like to keep community. Especially information of importance and such. I personal so no problem, nor does leadership and elders, with distributing the knowledge of place-names and stories related to those sites. The last I heard, apart of the agreement between the band council indian act government, and the BC gov't, they are going to be putting up signs along the Sea-to-Sky highway with our place names and histories. Kiosks they are calling them. A few of the politicians from around her, I belive, mentioned that they might change the actually name of valleys, creeks, rivers, and things of that nature, but I'll have to find out if that is actually happening or not. OldManRivers 19:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Sections?

What should of the name of the sections be? Name, History? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OldManRivers (talk • contribs) 19:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

archival image

. Might be nice to include, though old-style pics of this abound; storing here for development of gallery later.Skookum1 (talk) 09:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

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Touchup

I added some references to support the derogatory etymology claim. I cleaned up references and links. Hopefully for the better. Fimbriata (talk) 19:51, 15 March 2021 (UTC)