Talk:Sidney Bechet

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First version of Sidney Bechet entry. If it seems familiar, that's because it's a slightly modified version of a short bio I wrote over 5 years ago that's been on one of my websites at http://www.geocities.com/infrogmation/Bechet.html . -- Infrogmation

Might be nice to include how one properly pronounces his name, since most people probably don't know. --Steve

I second the motion: I signed on to find out if it's "buh-SHAY" or "buh-SHET", and that info belongs in the first paragraph of his bio. Pete Pab8888 (talk) 06:14, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I have just started listening to Sidney Bechet and think it would be nice to develop a proper discography. Is it acceptable to start putting information and 'adding as we go long' so to speak. --BustOut 17:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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Mugshot

I think it would be worthwhile to mention that the picture used to illustrate Sidney is a mugshot. The Goffrey C. Ward and Ken Burns book Jazz: A History of America's Music states the mugshot was taken in London, in 1922. --MosheA (talk) 03:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re Bechet's gunfight

John Chilton, in his biography of Bechet, suggests that the gunfight which resulted in Bechet's prison term was not over musical issues. Rather, Chilton suggests, a dispute over a woman may have been behind it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.102.251.138 (talk) 18:07, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Creole

The phrase "Creole of Color" is unnecessary and redundant. Just "Creole" will suffice. Dangnad (talk) 01:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely wrong. (Take a little time to learn about terminology and what "Creole" means in the context of Louisiana, please. Certainly "Creoles" in Louisiana are not of necessity "of Color".) Infrogmation (talk) 03:06, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

After all these years I have seen this reply and Infrogmation is absolutely right. "Creole" can apply to many kinds of people in early New Orleans including native born to slaves. Ref: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Louisiana_Creole_people Dangnad (talk) 03:25, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Irrelevant Anecdote

The quote from Sugar Blues is not very relevant to Sidney Bechet (or very profound, but that's another story :)), but probably does belong on the Sugar Blues (song) and Sugar Blue (singer) pages if they exist. A sentence along the lines of, "The blues harmonica player Sugar Blues took his nickname from a similarly named Sidney Bechet song" would certainly suffice on this page.Speedfranklin (talk) 21:01, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I think the block quote from Sugar Blue is not of sufficient importance in this article and will delete it. Jwicklatz (talk) 18:12, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This is the deleted block quote:

I needed a nickname ... all the good ones were taken! You know 'Muddy Waters', 'Blind Lemon', 'Sonny Boy' ... until one night a friend and I were leaving a concert—a Doc Watson concert—when somebody threw out of the window a box full of old 78s: I picked one up and it said "Sugar Blues" by Sidney Bechet. ... That's it! I thought it was perfect. ... so here I am."

Jwicklatz (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Notice the extraneous closing quotation mark at the end of the extract. Jwicklatz (talk) 18:17, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Reading music

To all accounts, Bechet was NOT able to read music. When he composed tunes, he needed others to write them down. James "Buster" Toliver did that for him during most of the 30ies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1205:5045:1BC0:1C59:8F59:2F7E:F9AE (talk) 15:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Discography

The discography referenced has disappeared from the Internet. A discography is available at http://www.sidneybechet.org/wp-content/uploads/SidneyBechet-Discography.pdf 82.69.91.35 (talk) 09:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)RichardP

Unreleased The Sheik of Araby by Sidney Bechet's One Man band? Really?

The article states that:

(...) On April 18, 1941, as an early experiment in overdubbing at Victor, Bechet recorded a version of the pop song "The Sheik of Araby", playing six different instruments: clarinet, soprano saxophone, tenor saxophone, piano, bass, and drums. A hitherto unissued master of this recording was included in the 1965 LP Bechet of New Orleans, issued by RCA Victor as LPV-510. (...)

Both recordings from the session (The Sheik of Araby & Blues of Bechet) were released back in 1941, as evidenced by this discogs entry:

https://www.discogs.com/release/5364796

Australian HMV's entry contains photo of 'The Sheik of Araby' side as well:

https://www.discogs.com/Sidney-Bechet-Blues-Of-Bechet-The-Sheik-Of-Araby/release/10373656

--89.186.17.91 (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Discography – Petite Fleur

Should the year be 1952? Please see Petite Fleur, where 1959 is given as the year of the Chris Barber recording and 1952 as that of the Sidney Bechet recording. Old Father Time (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)