Talk:Sergey Karjakin

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don't pronounce him "car-jacking"

Why isn't the standard transcription Karyakin used? 193.171.121.30 09:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

His age

He is 19 years old and not 18. 213.8.6.227 (talk) 16:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

19 is what it says in the article, it updates automatically. Maybe you saw a chached version of the page. 194.171.56.13 (talk) 10:37, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Youngest IM

I have done alot research and i can't find anyone who was younger then he was, i think it safe to say that he was no only the youngest GM but also the youngest IM in the history of chess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GSP-Rush (talk • contribs) 18:16, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Abenr (talk) 02:01, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Childhood

Is nothing known of his family life and upbringing? We're told he learned chess at age five. Somehow I suspect it was not from reading some tome by Botvinnik. --Abenr (talk) 02:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Marriage

Karjakin is supposedly no longer married. I saw it on some Russian site, but are there any English-language sources for it? Toccata quarta (talk) 12:51, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Karjakin Rating Performance

Sergey Karjakin manage to tie with Anatoly Karpov for the highest rating performance in history by playing in the Norway Chess tournament of 2014. I got this by looking at the standings and looking at chess.geniusprophecy.com.

Political stuff and potential bias

A Ukrainian editor, who proudly shows all his political views in his user page, just added all the political stuff in the "Personal life" section citing an interview with "Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty" and reporting some quotes verbatim. Is all this political stuff really necessary? To me this is a potential bias. Sophia91 (talk) 16:04, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

It's not really a surprise as I remember when Karjakin made those comments years ago. He will be having to make more comments about it as we get nearer the WC match given he was born in the Crimea. I'd trim it back a bit but I don't mind much. After finishing the article I'm doing I'm going to do this one. Jkmaskell (talk) 16:13, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Ukraine references

Raising a few issues relating to Karjakin and his Ukrainian background. I think "Ukrainian-born Russian" in the lead is both accurate and appropriate given he was born in the Crimea, which was part of Ukraine when he was born. Karjakin may personally have felt Russian, but that doesn't change the fact that he was Ukrainian and his notability stems from that. I don't consider "Crimea-born" an improvement. I reverted the references to Russian family ethnicity because the sources do not support the text it applies to. I know of one reference to their talking Russian rather than Ukrainian but I don't think it's enough to claim Russian descent. The category similarly isn't supported by the text. Opinions welcome. Jkmaskell (talk) 15:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree that "Ukrainian-born Russian" is more appropriate and that an encyclopedia must stick to the facts. That said, I think that "Category: Ukrainian chess players" should be reinstated: players who changed federations/nationality are usually included in all nationality they represented (e.g. Alexei Shirov, Arkady Naiditsch etc., see List of nationality transfers in chess), and after all he became the youngest GM in history and won a Chess Olympiad while still representing Ukraine. Sophia91 (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

He made it clear in an interview that he's Russian, like many others in Ukraine (and the majority of Crimea, that has recently returned t to Russia). So why was the category of Ukrainian people of Russian descent removed?

He's not of Ukrainian ethnicity, and he wasn't born in Ukraine but in the Ukrainian SSR. I find it shocking people ignore his own words and his identity due to either ignorance or bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.115.97.253 (talk) 09:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with him being born in Ukrainian SSR being added, but not his ethnicity removed; he became a Russian citizen because he's of Russian ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.115.97.253 (talk) 09:16, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

If there's no problem with the Ukrainian birth being added, then why remove it? As for Russian descent, speaking the language isn't enough to justify it and the sources added did not back it up. The birthplace bit was removed because it was already in the infobox. Reverting controversial edits is not vandalism. Jkmaskell (talk) 13:09, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Because he wasn't born in Ukraine but Ukrainian SSR, and even that's debatable. Why? Because he was born in Crimea, that even before re-joining Russia was an autonomy in Ukraine due to its unique status.

So Crimea-born would make more sense!

You were not reverting a "controversial" edits, you were either pushing your own POV, or simply being ignorant to the facts.

Once again, in Russian there's a difference between Rossiyanin (a Russian national) and Russkiy (of Russian ethnicity). He specifically used the term Russkiy in his interview, indicating Russian ethnicity. It's not a matter of opinion or interpretation, it's a fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.185.19 (talk) 11:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

We need to minimize the politics in the article. Karjakin is above all a chess player, not a politician, and that's where the emphasis should be. This article is going to get a lot more attention over the next few months as Karjakin prepares for the World Championship match. Lame edit wars about Ukraine vs Ukrainian SSR vs Crimea are the last thing we need. I recommend trimming the stuff about his political views. Just something brief like "he supports Russian control of the Crimean Peninsula and is a strong supporter of Vladimir Putin" and leave it at that. MaxBrowne (talk) 14:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, let's compromise. Go without the bracket bit in the lead but drop the "Prodigy" first line about birth and ethnicity. We have no sources other than Karjakin's one liner on his ethnicity, though if more is found we could consider it, and his birth is already in the infobox. We'll add the Ukrainian chess player category as suggested by Sophia. Fully agree on finding improvements for the political section. On a personal note, IP user, lay off the trash talk. I've been here long enough for the experienced editors to see how I work and I don't POV-push or vandalize. Be civil. Jkmaskell (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Disagree. Karjakin's "one liner" is all we need about his ethnicity.

I don't know you, and my POV comment was in regards to me not understanding why you insist on removing someone's ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.185.19 (talk) 11:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

The big question seems to be whether the quote is accurately reflected. Does "I always felt Russian(ethnic)" equate to "to a family of Russian ethnicity"? I disagree with the changes made to the article which have sought to Russify the article, a recent trend in Wikipedia. As we can see from earlier in this thread, I'm not the only user to have this concern. The burden of evidence lies on the person making the edit, not the person challenging it. Jkmaskell (talk) 13:38, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Russkiy can only mean one thing, of Russian ethnicity, not nationality. Nationality is Rossiyanin. He referred to himself as Ruskiy, and said he'd always been one. And there's nothing surprising about it, the majority of the population of Crimea is ethnically Russian.

I fail to see how the article is "russified". The guy is of Russian ethnicity, he renounced his Ukrainian citizenship for a Russian one, and not only he represents Russia, but it seems like he's very patriotic of it and it's important for him. It's not "russifying", it's being mor accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.57.185.19 (talk) 13:53, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not debating the translation anymore, simply whether his saying that he always felt/sensed like an ethnic Russian is enough to say that his whole family is of Russian descent. The wording in the text is stretching what the quote says.
The plan was to sort this page out properly with full detail etc, but frankly it's not worth the hassle if this is what I'm going to walk into at the first instance. I wash my hands of this page. Jkmaskell (talk) Jkmaskell (talk) 14:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Spelling

Tоварищи, let's not forget that Illya Kuryakin used the psuedo-transcription Kuryakin, which seems closer to the pronouncer kɐˈrʲakʲɪn than Karjakin. Sca (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

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Potential controversy

Sergey Karjakin has caught some controversy after posting pro-Russian tweets. Do you think this deserves a mention or isn't too significant to be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UkraineNumbaOne (talk • contribs) 01:37, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, since it has received attention from WP:RS sources outside of Twitter and Reddit we will have to address it here. Apparently FIDE has referred cases on Karjakin and Shipov to the Ethics and Disciplinary Commission (reported in several places including https://en.chessbase.com/post/fide-council-condemns-russia-military-action). Quale (talk) 05:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Then why don't we? Thewriter006 (talk) 18:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

Why is the Russian name in a footnote?

I've seen like Anton Vaino Russian name, Natalia Poklonskaya Russian name, Hou Yifan Chinese name and Nemo Zhou Chinese name not in footnote, but I've seen also Vladimir Putin Russian name in footnote. Thewriter006 (talk) 09:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Putin's award?

Are we gonna mention it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/v6pv2e/chess_putin_gives_award_to_ukrainianborn_russian/

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/chess-putin-gives-award-grandmaster-banned-backing-ukraine-invasion-2022-06-02/

> Putin granted the 32-year-old a medal of the order "For Merit to the Fatherland", a distinction awarded to Russians who have made outstanding achievements in their fields, according to an official portal for legal information.

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/v6pnft/sergey_karjakin_celebrating_on_telegram_putin_has/

https://twitter.com/rprose/status/1532385462127566848

> Russian grandmaster Sergey Karjakin celebrating on Telegram. Putin has signed an order awarding him the medal "For Services to the Fatherland, 2nd Class"

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/vjudhb/anatoly_karpov_and_sergey_karjakin_play_pair/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HV94U9em-o

https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/vurwys/anatoly_karpov_and_sergey_karjakin_play_pair/

Thewriter006 (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I'd certainly say we should, but someone would have to spend the time to write it. Banedon (talk) 13:15, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

done thanks ! Thewriter006 (talk) 20:56, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

running for CFR president

are we gonna mention it? if so, then in which section? Thewriter006 (talk) 17:01, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Russian chess grandmaster (formerly representing Ukraine)

Is there some universal thing on wikipedia how we call chess players or sports players in general?

https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/324239/african-american-or-filipino-american-how-do-you-distinguish-americans-of-a

Eg

1. Wesley So - 'Filipino and American'
2. Anish Giri - just 'Dutch'
3. Sergey Karjakin - 'Russian chess grandmaster (formerly representing Ukraine)'
4. Fabiano Caruana - 'Italian and American chess grandmaster'
5. Alexandra Kosteniuk - 'Russian and Swiss chess grandmaster who was'
6. Bobby Fischer - just 'American'

Well apart from Anish & Sergey, I think the point is regardless of their current nationality / nationalities, say all the countries that have represented, hence

1. Bobby, as a chess player, isn't Icelandic .
2. Wesley So, Fabi & Alexandra are considered present tense resp Filipino Italian & Russian

But why don't Anish & Sergey follow this pattern? Thewriter006 (talk) 02:32, 14 June 2023 (UTC)