Talk:Seizing

Debate: "Seizings are not recommended for heavy loads."

The photo of a splice being used in a forestay seems to belie the statement "Seizings are not recommended for heavy loads". Perhaps some further explination would be helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguin020 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

== Support for Penguin020's concerns : Yes, the stays are the most heavily loaded lines on most sailing vessels. There are many historical accounts of aging wooden ships having the masts shortened to keep the hull from being broken by load from the stays, so the loads are considerably large. The "not recommended" should have a citation to support it, which will not be found from a reputable source, so the text will need to be changed. But "reputable" is the trick. Many popular knot sources don't understand the old methods and will just provide more confusion. So you need the few sources that have held on to traditional rope work. Until then, I would prefer phrasing along the lines of "expert seizing technique is required for heavy loads". Either way, some indication of appropriate application of seizings should be indicated and cited. The difficulty with the citation is that seizings in fibre rope aren't common today as a primary binding. We'll need to dig up an old 1800's seamanship manual to get good references on the strength of multiple part seizings. Most modern knot references don't cover seizings well. The picture also shows the hawser seized to the wooden eye thimble at 2 points to improve strength and stability, so it is really a sort of combination 5 point seizing. ConfusedDorsai (talk) 00:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC) ConfusedDorsai (talk) 00:35, 2 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ConfusedDorsai (talk • contribs) 22:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)