Talk:Sea Scout

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The United States section appeared to have been copied almost verbatim from http://www.seascout.org/about/history.html - probable copyright violation as that site appears to date from 2002. Replaced with an external link. --Keith Edkins 15:05, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Merge?

How is the organization in this article different from the one in Sea Scouts (BSA)? Should we merge the two? --Micahbrwn 07:49, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

It's a scope issue. This article is about Sea Scouts in general, while the Sea Scouts (BSA) is about the American program. Do NOT merge, in my not so humble opinion.--Mtnerd 20:35, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

agree, do not merge. Chris 20:38, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

agree do not merge. BSA is only one member of international scouting community which provides the SEA option for the scouting program.

Given the time frame and comments, I'm am considering this a "don't merge" consensus, and am removing the tags. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 19:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

merge 4th New Forest North (Eling) Sea Scouts into

In line with the wikiproject policy of only have highly notable groups (i.e., the first to do something), I don't think it is suitable that the 4th New Forest North (Eling) Sea Scouts article should be seperate from the main article on . Looking through the other article, almost all of the information could be used generically under a UK Sea Scout section in this article. Horus Kol 13:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

alternate suggestion-as there is not yet a Scouting in Hampshire, this article would be a good start of an expansion into one, thus preserving the local focus of the article. Chris 19:25, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Can I suggest a split 3 ways! The relevant parts to Sea Scouts, Scouting in Hampshire (which I have started a basic stub), and some of the article (stuff about Testwood lakes etc) to Totton and Eling with links from that back to Sea Scouts and Scouting in Hampshire and vv as appropriate. Ben 20:04, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Update to my comment above - I have added everything (edited) from the section Testwood lakes in the article (inc Hampshire Wildlife Trust, and New HQ) to Testwood Lakes, so these can be removed and not lost. I suggest the rest goes between Sea Scouts and Scouting in Hampshire, but am not sure which bits to put where, but I can give it a guess if someone wants to tidy it up afterwards and check it seems ok. I know a little about all the things - Scouts (not sea scouts though), Hampshire (and Hampshire scouts), and Eling. Ben 20:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Both good suggestions those - I've updated the Sea Scout article with the general information from the 4th New Forest North (Eling) Sea Scouts article, as suggested... the only information I can see that would fit Scouting in Hampshire would be the Donkey Derby, and the fact the 4th New Forest North (Eling) is a Sea Scout Group... Horus Kol 08:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I put quite a lot of the rest of the 4th New Forest North (Eling) Sea Scouts article in the Scouting in Hampshire (Can someone check this to see if it looks ok) - hopefully not too much that is general to Sea Scouts. Looks to me like that is everything and the original article could be removed. Ben 21:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks okay for now - I think the Scouting in Hampshire article will need to be rewritten as more information comes about the county - with 28 districts, it is going to be difficult to have that kind of information about individual groups in there... I'll remove the merge tag, and recommend the 4th New Forest North (Eling) Sea Scouts article for deletion. Thanks for your help Ben. Horus Kol 07:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

More BSA Bias

I've just been reading through this article, and it reads like a BSA article than a generic Sea Scout one... there was already a call to merge the BSA article - and while the reasoning behind not merging seems correct, a lot of information in here is just exactly the same as what the BSA article has - and there is very little in the way of generic information, from what I can tell... Horus Kol 13:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Can someone make the BSA Uniform section a bit shorter? Egel _Reaction? 09:45, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I've plopped the main article link in - I'm just not sure how to cut down the BSA section here to bring it in line with the other countries' information here... Horus Kol 10:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

group website links

I've removed all of the group website links, as if every Sea Scout Group put them in, that would just be silly... Horus Kol 15:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Sea Scouts vs Sea Explorers

sorry, but these are two different things entirely... the numbers quoted in the table for the UK are only correct for the 10-14 age range... Sea Explorers are only partnered to Sea Scout Groups, and so their membership is not counted in those 10,000 Sea Scouts... Horus Kol 14:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Just add the number of Sea Explorers to the 10,000. Both are scouts with a particular emphasis on water-based activities. Most other numbers include all sections with a particular emphasis on water-based activities.

The problem is that Belgium has 4 organization which has each 1 to 5 diferent "sea" sections ("Sea Beavers" to "Sea Rovers") with their own names and ages and the Netherlands has 4 diferent "sea" sections ("Sea Cubs" to "Sea Rovers"). Some info came from: [1]--Egel _Reaction? 14:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

I can appreciate that it would make for a long list - but I don't see how this would be different to Age Groups in Scouting and Guiding and List of highest awards in Scouting Horus Kol 15:54, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Founder?

Why does there have to be a founder? An editor claimed Warrington Baden-Powell was the founder of the Sea Scouts but there is no evidence to this effect and considerable evidence of Sea Scouts before his involvement which, in any case, seems to have been very limited (e.g. he is not even listed as an officer or member in reports of The Boy Scouts Association. The most that could be claimed is that he was honoured with being the nominal "founder" of sea scouting within The Scout Association. We now have a more diverse knowledge and view of scout history and this article is not about the SA or BSA POV.

Loss of Sea Scout vessels

Given the history of tragic losses of Sea Scouts, this should be a section to expand.

References to "Sea Scouts" in Chums

Egel's edit seems to have been based on the Wikipedia article on Chums magazine without sighting the magazines. Chums referred to "Boy Scouts" as well as the subtitles "Scouts of the Sea" and "Sea Scouts of the Empire". The British Boy Scouts had Sea Scouts before Baden-Powell's organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.170.255.226 (talk) 00:57, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

My edits were based on the Chums and other pages on the The Order of World Scouts website. On that site there is no clue that the British Boys Naval Brigade / National Naval Cadets were ever part of the British Boy Scouts. You can only find that they worked together and shared Chums as their official journal. Nor can you find that the BBS had Sea Scouts before 1910. So far as I know is The Order of World Scouts website the best source of information about the BBS. --Egel _Reaction? 09:09, 22 April 2013 (UTC)