Talk:Scion tC

Manual Overdrive

Updated the article to reflect that Manual Overdrive does not exist for the Scion tC this is not the first place I have seen it listed, so I believe it was copied from a list of spec's some place. I dont know if the Automatic has overdrive (which its normal for Auto, and very rare on Manual.12.20.127.229 22:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

See the second definition on overdrive. —Kenyon (t·c) 23:45, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

It is 5th gear in overdrive, the transmission is not equipped "w/overdrive". The sales literature says that is is 5 gears w/overdrive. That connotation is hard to mistake. - 12.20.127.229 22:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Confusing sentence

This sentence is confusing: "The name tC does not fit in with its stablemates the xA and xB because the name has already been taken by Volvo for its XC70 and XC90." The name tC is taken by the XC70 and XC90?. It could better read: "The name tC does not fit in with its stablemates the xA and xB because the name xC has already been taken by Volvo for its XC70 and XC90." (bold shows the change) Jumpfroggy 05:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Good edit Jumpfroggy --Jayson Virissimo 05:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

tc image

does anyone have a professional looking pic of the tC - perhaps a press photo - that would be allowable? Uvapip 18:11, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

---yeah I would agree with this. A picture of a car with bird poop on it is not that fantastic. Or is it? [[User:12.34.246.5|12.34.246.5]] 15:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

i really want one!

Supercharged?

Where's the mention to the supercharged version with 200+ hp? Supposed to have been developed by Toyota Racing Development. --67.37.137.201 02:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

there's not actually a 'version' per se, the supercharger is merely another accessory that you can add to it, just like TRD exhaust, lowering springs, etc. I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a mention of it, but if there is then we may want to add an entire 'scion accessories' section.--69.128.116.190 14:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Toyota Avensis?

Where is the source that this is comparable to the Avensis? It's more like a 2-door version of the Lexus IS300 Hackajar 06:53, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

tC and Avensis share the same chassis. They are different cars, but they are related. I wouldn't say it's accurate to call the tC an Avensis coupe though. IS300 was a 6-cylinder RWD semi-luxury car, tC is a 4-cylinder FWD budget (for lack of a better word) car. No connection except they are both sporty compact cars by Toyota. Here's a source for the tC Avensis connection. ~ Dusk Knight 22:58, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Class?

This is not a sport compact by the definition given in that article. Anyone think it should just say "compact"? Friday (talk) 16:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I haven't read the full article, but the tC is listed as an example right at the top and it fits the definition given in the intro.~ Dusk Knight 00:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

It does? What car is the tC a performance-enhanced version of? Friday (talk) 19:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

My mistake, I was referring to the part where it says They are typically are front engined, front-wheel drive coupés, sedans, or hatchbacks driven by a naturally aspirated straight-4 gasoline engine. I missed the first part that says high-performance version. Sorry. I went ahead and changed it to "Compact".~ Dusk Knight 02:52, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm changing it back to sport compact. There are numerous articles, such as ones by Popular Mechanics and others classifying it as a sport compact.User:tribestros —Preceding undated comment added 00:42, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

tC also means Toyota Celica?

I've talked to several people about the Scion tC and they think that the tC also means Toyota Celica. The main article mentions that the tC is the successor to the Celica so maybe the tC is meant to pay homage to that car? Maxtro 00:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It has to. The other models on the line all have the prefix x(Such as the xD). Why would they go out and name it tC while at the same time ending production on the last generation of the Toyota Celica? Touring Coupe makes sense but so does Toyota Celica. I've also heard Turbo Coupe. GodFather1921 18:52, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

• The Scion tC is a North America-only car, the Celica was released worldwide, therefore it can't be the Celica's successor カラム 22:57, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

this piece of crap has nothing to do with the legendary celica, shame on toyota for abandoning one of their finest models ever! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.181.32.68 (talk) 03:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Image

Not sure how to, but someone might need to fix the dimensions of the image to the right of the main page. It's too tall. Zchris87v 05:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

References

Does "seeing" a tC in a movie or in a television show, really count as it being "referenced". If so, then I'm sure the toyota Corolla and BMW pages would be overflowing with "references". I believe that we should leave in ACTUAL references to a tC and not just "sightings". Gyrferret (talk) 04:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Not an Italian sports car!

I have a hard time believing that the Scion tC could accelerate from 0-60 in 3.14 seconds, or for that matter that the car is capable of getting from 0-100 mph in 6.6 seconds. These figures are clearly absurd, and I would ask that this false information be corrected immediately. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.150.168 (talk) 17:18, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Checking one of the sources I found that it's talking about the specs from a Ferrari Enzo. That explains everything--76.90.44.243 (talk) 01:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

The Next Generation?

The second generation Toyota Avensis, which shares the same platform as the tC, is being phased out in favor of a new platform and design, which means that the tC may need to be retooled as well.

Toyota and Subaru have officially announced a new rear-wheel-drive sports coupe to be introduced to the Japanese, European and American markets starting in 2011 (in fact a new test mule Toyota/Subaru chassis has been seen running around a few tracks in Japan). The new platform has been billed as a spiritual successor to the AE86, and will be priced between $20,000 - $23,000 USD. The new "Toybaru" coupe has yet to be named, but because of the similarity in price range and overall appearance, some beleive that may be sold as the next generation Scion tC in North America.

This was originally found on the main article itself. I moved it hear because it seemed more like speculation and rumor rather than hard fact. Feel free to comment and discuss anything said above. Gyrferret (talk) 00:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Where's it made?

I can't find it in the article so I thought I'd put the question out. Its based on the Avensis which is made in England, so I'd assume its built in the US on imported Chassis, is this the case?(82.3.43.98 (talk) 21:39, 14 March 2009 (UTC))

No the tC is built in Japan at the same plant that was used during the construction of the venerable Toyota Celica which is this car's predecessor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.168.128 (talk) 13:42, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

My removal of Image:Scion_tc_2007.jpg

I have removed the previously mentioned image because visually, it's no different from any other Scion tC. There's no need for three pictures demonstrating the same car. 72.184.252.100 (talk) 19:56, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The image is pertinent because it displays a good portion of the enhancements made available by TRD. The Scion tC's factory customizability through TRD is one of the characteristics that sets it apart from other automobiles in its price range and class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.127.63.171 (talk) 05:46, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

It displays nothing of the sort, minus the wheels. An outside source would not be able to tell this is lowered, nor would they be able to tell that it has a TRD exhaust. The only visual change on this car from the three other pictures of it is the foglights. I'm not against a picture of a TRD-upgraded tC... another photo needs to be taken that clearly demonstrates the "upgradability" of it. 72.185.54.95 (talk) 21:15, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Predeccessor

Why is the Celica listed as the tC's predeccessor? The Celica was a (low end) sports car while the tC is a tourer. Also, the Scion tC is only sold in America.  Stepho  (talk) 03:38, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Toyota's said nothing about them being related (given that they are different brands and all). It is nothing more than speculation, though it was certainly intended to fill the void that the Celica left. I don't see how you can call one different from the other (given that they ride on virtually identical suspensions and share every characteristic of layout) but it is mere speculation to call them "related" even though all the facts suggest it. Personally I think the "predecessor" field should be removed from the infoboxes outright, since it causes us to waste our time over semantics for the vast majority of cars, when it really doesn't matter either way. Bdc101 (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Shall we bring it up at WP:Automobiles ? It would solve many trivial arguments like this one but those fields are useful on older models (showing relationship between Ford Model T and Ford Model A (1927–1931)).  Stepho  (talk) 01:37, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

The tC is the successor of the Celica, albeit a cheapened one with updated technology and features. Toyota just found a way to make some money without having to invest in designing a whole new car. If you people would open your eyes you would notice that there are many styling cues that are ported from the Celica. Just because ignorant masses need to have it printed to be true doesn't mean that Toyota or any other car manufacturer for that matter won't find a way to recycle a design. The tC is built at the same plant as the Celica, why do you think it is so, because they already had the whole assembly line configured to pump out Celicas. Use your common sense if you can find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.168.128 (talk • contribs) 07:18, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Good, we can have a conversation at last. You have asserted that the Scion tC (aka Toyota Zelas) is the successor to the Toyota Celica. WP:BURDEN says that whoever added the assertion also has the burden of providing proof from reliable published sources.

You said that the styling is similar. Well, that applies to many other Toyota's of the era such as the Camry and the Corolla. It's just the general style that Toyota had at the time. so it proves nothing.

You said that the tC used the same production line as the Celica. So? A factory becomes empty when one vehicle stops production, so it is then available to be used for another vehicle. Many of Toyota's sportier models were terminated and their factories converted to produce SUVs. Does that mean the SUVs are successors of the sports cars?

The carbuzz link you added while I was typing this says in its very first sentence "Although it can trace its roots back to the original Toyota Celica, the Scion tC never was or will be a true successor." It then points out that the Celica had some true sports models (eg the GT4 / All-trac ST204 with powerful turbo engines and decent suspension, although the best versions with 200 hp were limited to the Japanese market). The tC never really had a truly sporty variant.

WP:BRD and WP:ETIQUETTE encourage us to discuss the problem. Ad hominem attacks do nothing to help your argument. Name calling is just childish. Calling everybody else retards and morons is like watching a 5-year old child having a tantrum. Adding assertions in the main article without supporting evidence will just be removed (as per WP:BURDEN). Repeatedly adding those assertions (aka WP:EDITWARRING) just causes frustration to all of us. You need to provide real, tangible proof.

On the flip side, if you can provide reasonable arguments (from reliable sources) in a coherent manner then we are more than happy to help you integrate them into the article. We are not against you personally, just the lack of proof.

Please remember to sign your messages with 4 tildes (~~~~) at the end. Thanks.  Stepho  talk  15:09, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

If you compare the last production year Celica to the tC it has the same specs, the lines of the tC mirror those of the Celica, the hatch on the tC is an almost identical port of the last model Celica. Why would Toyota invest more money in designing a whole new car if they already had it in the Celica, they took it rebagded it and gave it enough new styling cues and features so that the idiotic North American car market would accept it. Look at the last model Celica side by side with a tC you can clearly see which parts were added. You cant compare rally edition Celicas to a regular model Celica which if you look closely is almost identical to a tC. Toyota in their quest to save money and changing environmental requirements decided to rebadge the lowest end Celica GT-S. Sure they changed the chassis from a Corrolla to an Avensis which is the European version of the Corolla and its successor. Look at what Toyota is doing, the Scion iM was supposed to be a new car but in actuality it is a Toyota Matrix that was discontinued. Toyota is not stupid its the population that is easily fooled. Same with GT-86 all the american public could talk about is how the gt-86 is the ne Supra, which is not it is a tribute to the AE86 Trueno. Same with the Lexus models who are just upscaled versions of Toyota brand (NX/RX overpriced Rav4) I know its hard to swallow for some Celica fanatics (me being one )that the days of super sports car that are affordable to general public are over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.168.128 (talk) 16:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

This is all original research. The article you provided says the tC is a spiritual successor to the Celica, but says nothing about rebadging or redesigned. clpo13_(talk) 17:39, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

So is it my problem that people are too ignorant or stupid to see what the tC is? you can redirect all you want the fact is that Toyota played you all — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.167.168.128 (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Your problem is that you refuse to provide a proper reliable source, preferring instead to make your own conclusions (WP:OR) and insult the people trying to stick to the policies of this encyclopedia. clpo13_(talk) 21:41, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

you mean this tabloid level bulleting board that is only slightly more evolved than 4chan. but its ok, Im waiting for an official reply to my email from Toyota Japan, cant wait to post it and rub your ignorant noses in it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.15.190 (talk) 00:47, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Did Toyota copy bits of the Celica to go into the tC? Quite possibly. Toyota does this quite regularly. The RAV4 was designed using many Camry parts - but that doesn't mean the RAV4 is a Camry.

As mentioned above, you are doing original research (see WP:OR). Wikipedia requires us to use reliable published sources. WP:VERIFIABLE goes into this in more detail.

If you get an email from Toyota then you will also have to prove that it came from them and is not just something you created yourself (emails are easy to fake). The easiest way to prove it is to get them to post it somewhere on one of their websites.

Why would you compare us to 4chan when we are asking for proof of your claims? Are you asking us to require less proof? Are you asking us to just trust your every word? Or is your reasoning somehow better in every way than ours, in spite of the counter examples we are showing you?

By the way, I have a classic 1977 Celica (retrofitted with an ex-race 18R-G), a 1984 AE86 (retrofitted with a 20-valve 4A-GE) and a 1987 Cressida (retrofitted with a 3000cc 6M-GE). All are fun and I love driving them but technology has moved on and they are easily beaten in a straight line by modestly priced modern cars. The days of affordable sports cars is far from over. If only the modern stuff wasn't so ugly :)

Lastly, please sign your comments with 4 tildes (~~~~) and add a level of indentation by using one more colon (:) than the comment before it. Thanks.  Stepho  talk  05:37, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

What proof have you provided to the contrary, besides some automotive blogs who are filled with speculation. Problem with the tC is that it is a marketing scheme used by Toyota to sell a recycled car as a brand new model hoping that ignorant masses will swallow it. If you knew anything about the car business besides collecting them, you would know that coming out with a brand new model from scratch is extremely expensive and not very profitable. Agin ill repeat the original Celica was based on the Corolla chassis which was updated and improved into an Avensis, so if you follow the family tree of Celica the tC is the leaf. The whole point of this is that you people fail to see what Toyota did and you refuse to accept the fact that you got played yet again by clever and sneaky marketing. Ive owned a 93 GT-S a 2000 GT-S and now a 2014 tC. Besides being heavier and less responsive (thanks to electronic steering crap), this is a Celica. Everything about this car is an upgraded handme down from the original but with cheaper materials.

By the way proxies are awesome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.95.53 (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

This is not a forum for discussing what you like or dislike about Toyotas. If you don't have a reliable source to provide, then this discussion is pointless. And for the record, I've never owned nor do I plan on owning a Toyota. clpo13_(talk) 15:32, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

"What proof have you provided to the contrary": None because I haven't put this claim in the article itself. You have put a claim in the article and therefore the burden is on you to support your point.

Claims in the article must satisfy both of the following:

1. No original research (see WP:OR). Your reasoning above is original research and is therefore irrelevant.
2. Supported by reliable, published sources (see WP:BURDEN and WP:SOURCES). You have not provided this.

Since you are insisting on point 1 (not allowed) and not providing point 2 (absolutely required), you are wasting your time and our time.  Stepho  talk  05:17, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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'Spiritual Successor to Toyota Celica'

I've reverted the 'Carbuzz.com' link for the reference on comparing the Toyota Celica to the Scion tC. Carbuzz is not an authority on the matter of whether the car is related to the Celica or not. Neither Toyota nor Scion has had a statement on the matter. There seems to be some chatter about this a few years in the past with no update, so I think it's safe to say that there is no affiliation between the Celica and tC. 107.15.141.227 (talk) 03:39, 15 March 2019 (UTC)SilverStar

hatchback or liftback

Is the tC a hatchback or a liftback? At liftback and hatchback we say that a hatchback has a nearly vertical rear door. The tC has a very sloped rear door. Note that at hatchback says that liftback is a more specific class of hatchback, ie the very sloped subset of hatchbacks.  Stepho  talk  09:31, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

@Stepho-wrs: Well I do prefer the "liftback" term (due to the sloping rear window), but as the term is rarely used in the US, "hatchback" appears to be more (forcefully) suitable. The Google search result also supports this (157,000 for "liftback" vs. 5.8 million for "hatchback").

NB: I wonder why is the XP130 Yaris marketed as the "Yaris Liftback" there? 182.30.81.200 (talk) 08:12, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

The difference between "liftback" and "hatchback" is muddled in the U.S. because the word "hatchback" was widely regarded as synonymous with "cheap, frumpy, and austere" in the U.S. from roughly the mid 1990s until the mid 2010s, and carmakers went to great (and sometimes borderline humorous) lengths to avoid using the term in their advertising. I'm almost certain that Toyota marketed the 3-door and 5-door XP130 as "Liftbacks" for this reason; similarly, my recollection is that the tC was marketed as a "sports coupe." Although I've only lived in the U.S. during my adult life, based on reading foreign car magazines, it seems that hatchbacks have never had this image problem elsewhere in the world. Carguychris (talk) 15:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)