Talk:Say So/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: GhostRiver (talk · contribs) 19:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

I'll be taking a look at this! — GhostRiver 19:16, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Infobox and lede

• Link the first instance of "Single" to Single (music)
• Delink "flirting" per MOS:OVERLINK
• "whom she feels a connection with" → "with whom she feels a connection"
• The note in the lede should have a citation
• I believe certifications are from a publication rather than by in the current sentence construction
• "To promote the song, Doja Cat performed it" → "To promote "Say So", Doja Cat performed the song"

 Done Removed the footnote as a whole since it’s not vitally relevant to the lead. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 09:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Background

Recording and release

• "also serves as" → "also served as"
• Link Hot Pink for first instance in the body
• Link "hit" to Hit song
• Link the first instance of "single" to Single (music)

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 09:14, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj remix

• No comma after "remix of the song featuring Nicki Minaj"
• "even before its initial announcement" → "preceding its official announcement"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Mixing

• Link "engineer" to Audio engineer and "mixer" to Audio mixing (recorded music)
• "for the mixing of" → "to mix"
• "before it would officially be released only a few hours later." → "before its release only a few hours later"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Dr. Luke controversy

• "using a pseudonym" → "under a pseudonym"
• Period instead of colon after "opinions on the matter"
• Comma after "Denise Warner argued", "Gab Ginsberg stated", and "while Andrew Unterberger opined"
• After the first instance of his full name, just say "Unterberger"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 18:36, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Composition and lyrics

• "and in the key of D major"
• Comma after "retro"
• ""always perfect vocal performance."" → ""always perfect vocal performance"." per WP:LQ
• "who you feel a connection with" → "with whom you feel a connection"
• Don't love the phrasing of "which was ongoing at the time of her recording", especially since it's still ongoing, but I don't have a better idea for how to rephrase
• ""turning the song's disco pulse into a spitting trap beat."" → ""turning the song's disco pulse into a spitting trap beat"." per MOS:LQ

 Done (+rephrased pandemic sentence) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Critical reception

Solo version

• ""glistening off the ocean,"" → ""glistening off the ocean"," per MOS:LQ
• ""and a funky bassline."" → ""and a funky bassline"."
• ""tied together with Doja's always perfect vocal performance."" → ""tied together with Doja's always perfect vocal performance"."
• ""breathy vocals that recall early Donna Summer."" → ""breathy vocals that recall early Donna Summer"."
• "2020 in music" → "the music of 2020"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj remix

• "while Jon Dolan of the same publication" → "while in the same publication, Jon Dolan"
• The Post-it note comment feels slightly out of place as the one detracting comment in the middle of many flattering ones; not sure the best way to rearrange

 Done (added post-it note comment to the end with "In a more negative review") —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 19:59, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Year-end lists

• Good

Commercial performance

• "where it moved up to" → "before moving up to"
• "top 5 song" → "top-five song"
• "2 billion" → "two billion"
• "966%" → "966 percent" per MOS:PERCENT
• Replace % with "percent" written out all the way through, per above
• earlier that year If I'm not mistaken, "Say So" started charting in January, so it would be hard to be "earlier that year"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Music video

Background and release

• "when it premiered alongside" → "premiering alongside"
• Comma after "the day before, writing,"
• "She said that while at the shoot," → "She said that, during the shoot,"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Synopsis and reception

• No comma after "aqua-coloured eyeshadow"
• Link "Blowout" to Blowout (hairstyle)
• I don't think the word regalia needs to be quoted or linked
• "On her arrival" → "Upon her arrival"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:18, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Accolades

• Good – I had originally said that the NAACP Image Awards shouldn't be there since they were given to Doja as an artist, but the source seems to show that she was nominated for that song in particular

This is true. I think they accredited her work as an artist to "Say So". —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:20, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Live performances

• Comma after "Shortly after the premiere of the song's music video"
• Minecraft should be italicized as a video game title
• ""a fluffy pink slumber part with sparkling chiffon curtains and neon signs galore."" → ""a fluffy pink slumber part with sparkling chiffon curtains and neon signs galore"."
• "slumber part" → "slumber party"
• "sci-fi" → "science fiction"
• Drop the "like" from "reptilian-like", as "reptilian" means "reptile-like"
• Link Roxie Hart
• I was going to suggest how to rephrase "however the matter was later cleared up", but I think it can be dropped entirely considering the next sentence basically explains that
• "for the last time" → "for what she said would be the last time"
• "and described it as" → "and described the performance as"

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Cover versions

• "song was recorded by Indonesian YouTuber singer Rainych Ran and was released" → "song recorded by Indonesian YouTuber singer Rainych Ran was released"
• "suggested that she listen to the cover" → "suggested that she listened to it"
• "She added a self-written rap"
• ""flirtatious and retro vibe."" → ""flirtatious and retro vibe"." per MOS:LQ

 Done —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Impact

• I don't know how I feel about this being called "Impact", which I associate with a larger impact on the pop culture landscape than cameo appearances in video games. Honestly, when I think "Impact" of this song, I think more about the TikTok stuff.

Changed to "In popular culture" —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Track listing

• Good

Credits and personnel

• "vocals" in "Nicki Minaj's Vocals" should be lowercase
• "as Tyson Trax for Prescription Songs" should either be in parentheses or as a footnote

 Done. Also applied lowercase to "recorded and mixed" on that Nicki line —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Charts

• Good

Certifications

• Good

Release history

• Good

References

• I'd prefer if non-tweets were used for the platinum and multi-platinum certifications; it looks like the RIAA page shows the dates of each certification if you hit "more details"

The tweets state that "Say So" is her first song to achieve multi-platinum certification, which I unfortunately couldn't find in any other reliable sources. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:38, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

General comments

• Images are properly licensed and relevant
• No major stability concerns in the revision history
• Apart from one paragraph, Copyvio score looks ok

Thank you for your patience! Putting on hold for now, feel free to ping me with questions and please let me know when you're finished. — GhostRiver 15:30, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Thank you so much for reviewing thus far! Unfortunately, I'm in the midst of my final exams and won't be able to make all the changes within the 7-day period. Could you perhaps please give me until 5 Dec to finish it off? If not, can we maybe do something to temporarily keep it dormant as I'd hate for it to be a fail. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 10:51, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Cybertrip I'm always happy to leave GA noms open longer than one week as long as the nominator is in communication with me. December 5 it is. — GhostRiver 13:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Sorry for the delay. All done now! Thank you so much again for taking the time to do this. —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 20:40, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Thought you should know that I've added new info about the recent Guinness World Record. Thanks —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC).

Cybertrip Thank you for your patience as I slog through final grading. Everything looks good now. — GhostRiver 17:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

@GhostRiver: Thanks again for everything :) —cybertrip👽 ( 💬 • 📝) 16:24, 19 December 2021 (UTC)