Talk:Sarkar (2018 film)

Typical lead content

@Fylindfotberserk: re: this edit, in the lead of a film article, establishing the nation of origin is important and standard. If warranted, establishing the language of origin is also important, so long as it differs from the nation of origin's main language. In your change, you highlighted an ethnic film industry which is a controversial change. You should discuss that first. Feel free to highlight your main points below: Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:50, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:

I would like you to clarify some of the points you made:

• The primary topic for "Tamil" in an article lead is the language - I don't understand what you meant by that. According to the Tamil disambiguation page, the ethnicity i.e. Tamil people seems primary. Although in this case it would definitely mean language.
• in the lead of a film article, establishing the nation of origin is important. - As I can't see Indian in the lead

AR Murugadoss is directing an upcoming untitled Tamil-language film, referred to by the media as Thalapathy 62. It features Vijay and Keerthy Suresh in the lead roles. 

I believe Indian needs to be added.

• In your change, you highlighted an ethnic film industry which is a controversial change. - I wonder why it is controversial. The Tamil cinema lead clearly mentions that it is Indian and produce Tamil language movies.

Tamil cinema is Indian motion pictures produced in the Tamil language. Based in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu, the hub of the Tamil film industry is in the Kodambakkam neighbourhood of Chennai. Kollywood is a colloquial term used to describe this industry, the word being a portmanteau of Kodambakkam and Hollywood.

Linking the term Tamil-language film to Tamil cinema was an obvious choice since Tamil-language film = Tamil cinema.

For now I believe I can edit the lead as

AR Murugadoss is directing an upcoming untitled Indian Tamil-language film,...

What do you say?

Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:59, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: You added Indian in the lead I saw but didn't clear the other points I mentioned here. Kindly clarify the other points. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I was writing still writing my response: It's not very complicated. The topic we're most likely to be interested in (the primary topic) for India is the nation, not the people or its cinema. Similarly, if someone asks, "Gee, what is the Tamil language", they would expect to be taken to an article that explains what the Tamil language is. Put yourself in the mind of someone from Peru who has never heard of the Tamil language. If I described something as a "Canadian Esperanto-language film", the first question you'd ask is, "what the hell is Esperanto?" You'd no doubt want more info about that language. If we were talking about a "British Spanish-language film", if you clicked on "Spanish", you'd presumably want to learn more about the Spanish language, not about Hispanic people or the industry in the UK that produces Spanish-language films". By "controversial" I meant in the sense that applying ownership to a specific ethnic industry has previously been the subject of problems and disputes. One reason why we don't use Indic scripts in the infobox or lead is because of the disruption that is caused by people who apply ownership of a word or concept to a specific ethnic group. I've added [[India]]n per your suggestion. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Welcome and thanks @Cyphoidbomb: for the explanation. I believe we can add Indian before any Indian regional film article if not already present.
...applying ownership to a specific ethnic industry has previously been the subject of problems and disputes.- Is it so? Can you direct me to the articles/talkpages where this happened and where it got solved. Nothing special, just out of curiosity and personal knowledge. Learning more about Wikipedia history that is. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:46, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I don't keep track of these disputes, but I do recall a lot of trouble at Baahubali: The Beginning where editors wanted to "give credit" to the Telugu film industry by removing mentions of Tamil, even though the film was shot in Tamil. Some of those discussions can be found at Talk:Baahubali: The Beginning/Archive 1. If you were interested in the rationale for the Indic script issue, you could look at this discussion. And just generally speaking, ethnic warring of all kinds is a problem, from the removal of a Pakistani actress from an Indian film she stars in[1][2] to the arbitrary reordering of languages,[3][4][5][6] which I interpret as a subtle form of ethnic-warring. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:02, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

That's awesome dude. Thanks for all these info. Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:49, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

These movie releasing in telugu also try to update Akbar206 (talk) 20:36, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2018

Editor Shangeeth Inkem (talk) 17:08, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Inkem: If you are suggesting that we add Shangeeth's name to the |editor= parameter of the infobox, you would need to provide a reference, as the film hasn't been released yet. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:50, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2018

Inkem (talk) 21:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC) http://movies.sulekha.com/tamil-movie-sarkar-cast-crew http://mtwikiindia.blogspot.com/2018/06/sarkar-2018-movie-full-star-cast-crew.html

Any of these two link will show you that Shangeeth is an editor for Sarkar

 Not done: Neither blog is a sufficient reference for this information, per WP:UGC. Anybody can start a blog or website and publish whatever they want. We only care what mainstream sources with established reputations for fact-checking and accuracy have to say about anything, and unless you're in a position to argue for why sulekha.com, which could have just lifted content from earlier versions of Wikipedia, is suddenly a quality source, we're going to have to wait until there's a more authoritative source, or until the film is released so that someone can check the information against the film's onscreen credits. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2018

Inkem (talk) 13:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
STOP IGNORING THISS

https://mtwiki.blogspot.com/2018/06/sarkar-2018-movie-full-star-cast-crew-release-date.html http://mtwikiindia.blogspot.com/2018/06/sarkar-2018-movie-full-star-cast-crew.html http://movies.sulekha.com/tamil-movie-sarkar-cast-crew

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --DannyS712 (talk) 22:42, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

@Inkem: As previously noted, we don't use blogs as references. Find a better source, please. If you keep posting requests with insufficient references, it will be considered disruptive. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:53, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 November 2018

Wilfired 170.248.164.95 (talk) 14:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Not clear what you want done. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:41, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2018

Release date: 6 November 2018 (India Josephpaulose1996 (talk) 06:07, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Plot

Sundar Ramasamy is the CEO of GL, the World's No.1 Search Engine Company in USA. He is a specialist in acquiring the opposition companies by destroying their brand. He is feared among the world of Corporate and is often called a Corporate Monster. He visits his home country to India to cast his vote in his State Assembly Election, but finds that his vote has been already cast by someone else. Angered, he approaches the court and with his influence, he easily wins back his vote by referring to section 49P of Indian Election Rules, which state that if a person's vote was wrongly cast by someone else, then his vote can be re-cast as a ballot vote, upon submitting the required documents of proof. He also demands that the result of his particular area should be withheld. Angered by his approach, the ruling party of the state, which is also the favorites to win this time,infuriates Sundar by saying that his single vote doesn't make a difference and they are going to win anyway. One of their top leader even challenges Sundar that his re-vote will also be stolen from him.

Sundar is deeply angered and he insists the entire people of Tamil Nadu to fight back, if their votes were stolen too. The people respond and more than 300000 people file cases that their Votes were wrongly cast by others. This leads to the Supreme court to cancel the election and eventually the swearing in ceremony of the Chief Minister. The CM orders his men to get rid off Sundar but Sundar overpowers them and challenges the CM that he will fight against him in the re -election and defeat him in his own area. Whether Sundar won his challenge or not forms the rest of the story.

Semi-protected edit request on 7 November 2018

Art Director Santhanam name should be mentioned SarkarVijay (talk) 17:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 18:05, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Also unclear where that would be mentioned, since there's no parameter in the Infobox for art director. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:30, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2018

Tulasi]] is playing the role of Varalakshmi Sarathkumar mother 117.192.67.205 (talk) 09:45, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 14:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Budget

120 Sachingsuresh (talk) 07:04, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done @Sacingsuresh: We don't change anything without a reliable source. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:18, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Box Office Claim source

The box office number is not supported by an apt source. So, I am adding two sources to strengthen the claim. Below are the two articles that support the box office number. 1. https://www.zeebiz.com/india/news-sarkar-box-office-collection-thalapathy-vijay-starrer-set-to-cross-whopping-rs-250-crore-mark-72336 2. https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/sarkar-box-office-collection-vijay-starrer-expected-to-enter-1-million-dollar-club-in-the-us/story/292786.html I request you to just update the web page link for Box office. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.245.153 (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Gross went more than ₹300 crores You guys didn't add satellite rights and dubbing rights,etc..if you want source reply me Matt Murdock619 (talk) 08:33, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

@Matt Murdock619: Satellite rights and dubbing rights have nothing to do with a film's box office performance. And we are not the finance department of Sun Pictures, so we're not here to keep track of their licensing deals. Nobody in academia cares how much Marvel sold the cable broadcasting rights for the last Avengers film. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

controversies

Most politically controversial film in the history of Indian cinema mention this sentence in the lead above

varalakshmi played the antagonistic role in the name of late chief minister jayalalitha actual name komalavalli mention it in the cast

Vijay Thalaivaa controversy

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjkl12345 (talk • contribs) 20:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hjkl12345: "Most politically controversial film in the history of Indian cinema" is an opinion, and a hyperbolic one at that. We're not going to present an opinion as though it were a fact. As for the other claim, you haven't provided any references so that we can scrutinise the claim, but based on this, it appears that Jayalalitha denied that Komalavalli was her name. So no, we're not going to add that as though were an incontrovertible fact. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

but wiki article of late jayalalitha says her actual name komalavalli — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjkl12345 (talk • contribs) 21:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

komalavalli at birth rediff https://www.rediff.com/movies/special/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-jayalalitha-actress/20161206.htm

iam not lying its the most controversial film kindly mention it — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjkl12345 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

@Hjkl12345: Nobody said you were lying. A neutral encyclopedia does not present exaggerated opinions as though they were facts. As for the Komalavalli issue, I'm going to defer to more knowledgeable editors on this matter, but the content already exists in the Political controversy section. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

sarkar among top 40 films in france

Sarkar among top 40 films in france -new sentence

source- https://twitter.com/eoyentertainmen/status/1065425033609322497 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.4.51 (talk) 07:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Why? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

its should be mentioned in Wikipedia its indian cinema pride — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.60.243.67 (talk) 19:17, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia. It doesn't have any inherent "indian cinema pride". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Sarkar genre?

The page says it's a language action drama film, but several websites on the net have described it as a political thriller including Mr.Prasad who did the editing for the film. Should the genre of the film be changed?Airjordan2k (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

even the genre should be changed as political thriller its a politics film not a action drama — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjkl12345 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

fifth highest grossing south indian film of all time

the film is the fifth highest grossing south indian film of all time overtaking Mersal mention these — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.4.51 (talk) 18:47, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

No reference = no change. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:04, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

re Cyphoidbomb https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_Indian_films#Tamil your wiki list check it its fifth highest of all time — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.4.51 (talk) 19:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia cannot be used as a reference. WP:UGC: "Wikipedia articles (and Wikipedia mirrors) in themselves are not reliable sources for any purpose." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

see mersal article its mentioned sixth highest of all time then obviously this is fifth highest you can mention it without source based on box off collection dude Cyphoidbomb

Cyphoidbomb orelse add this one ref- https://www.hindustantimes.com/regional-movies/vijay-s-sarkar-is-the-highest-grossing-south-indian-film-of-2018-overtakes-gold-raazi-rangasthalam/story-yTKSPkJWqibMFUOI2ZSGaL.html

answers?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.60.243.67 (talk) 13:27, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

someone?? User:Deacon Vorbis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.60.243.67 (talk) 15:52, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

No we can't "mention it without source". People come to Wikipedia and post all sorts of stuff, some of it true, some of it dubious, and some of it totally false. It is only by having a policy that unsourced content can be removed that we are able to make any attempt to keep out the rubbish. If we accepted unsourced claims just because someone or other comes along to Wikipedia and says so then the whole basis of Wikipedia would be destroyed. As for "orelse [sic] add this one", the source linked simply does not say that the film is "the fifth highest grossing south indian [sic] film of all time". That's all there is to it. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

JamesBWatson can you atleast write whatsoever is mentioned in the reference above — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.174.209.47 (talk • contribs) 18:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

sarkar 300 croes collect

source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqoCqe_POnM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.5.222 (talk) 14:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Not a valid reference. Mainstream news sources only, please. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

sarkar crores 300 collection

source add it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-h6FbJWpvY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12qwertyui (talk • contribs) 16:46, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 December 2018

You need to add Shangeeth Sathyanathan's name in the credits.

There are many sources saying he has been a part of this movie so there needs to be a page about him with all the movies he has been a part of and his name should be on all the movies he has worked on.

SOURCES OF EVIDENCE:

https://www.moviebuff.com/shangeeth-sathyanathan

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10218259/

https://www.revolvy.com/page/Shangeeth-Sathyanathan

http://movies.sulekha.com/tamil-movie-sarkar-cast-crew

http://mtwikiindia.blogspot.com/2018/06/sarkar-2018-movie-full-star-cast-crew.html

http://comelydude.com/robot-2-0-2018-movie-full-star-cast-crew-story-release-date-budget-inforajinikanth-amy-jackson-akshay-kumar/

https://clomonientertainment.blogspot.com/2018/11/20-2018-full-cast-crew.html

https://lovemotorbike.info/motor-video/Bqeq1ZGIU9Q/sarkar-movie-review-vijay-ar-murugadoss-tamil-talkies Sarkar12345 (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

These links don't seem reliable as per WP:ICTF - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 20:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Agree on reliability, so:

 Not done. Also making ridiculous legal threats does not help you build consensus for your desired changes. John from Idegon (talk) 07:38, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Let the record show that the IMDB page for Shangeeth Sathyanathan appears to be an entire fabrication. Allegedly he's 15 and has edited 200 films. He allegedly won the 60th Filmfare Award for Best Editor (disproven here), he allegedly won the 8th Annual Vijay Award for Best Editor (disproven here) and so on. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:10, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018

You need to respond to my request or i will take this to court Sarkar12345 (talk) 09:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Please don't make legal threats.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2022

Sarkar soundtrack 2001:8F8:1825:13A4:4515:47B7:4E0C:3208 (talk) 16:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2022

Aojconnor (talk) 13:21, 26 January 2022 (UTC) that some one has vandelised it

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I looked at some recent edits and didn't see any vandalism. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Sarkar collection

Sarkar collected 320 crores 117.193.222.227 (talk) 08:26, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

And the reference to your reliable source is ? - Arjayay (talk) 10:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Sarkar collected 320 crores kalanithi Maran said in an interview — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.199.100 (talk) 10:48, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

And the reference to your reliable source is ? - Arjayay (talk) 10:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Box Office collection edit request on 20 October 2022

Sarkar Total collection 258cr. Source from IMDB Click here https://m.imdb.com/title/tt5080556/?ref_=m_ttls_tt_1 2402:3A80:19AE:D4E7:878:5634:1232:5476 (talk) 01:49, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. See WP:IMDB and WP:USERGEN. Cannolis (talk) 08:01, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Sarkar collection 320 crores source:kalanithi Maran said in an interview

And the reference to your reliable source is ? - Arjayay (talk) 10:51, 2 November 2022 (UTC)