Talk:Sara Jean Underwood

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An anon IP keeps removing the following paragraph from the article:

On June 7, 2007 a group of Oregon State University students taking a Women's Studies Course created a poster celebrating Underwood's accomplishment. This poster was hung outside Bexel Hall for a few hours before being taken down by Oregon State University staff. The poster was mirrored after "Achievement" posters that line Campus Way at the university. The poster read, "Sara Jean First OSU Beaver Playmate of the Year Playboy June '07 OSU CENTERFOLD People, Ideas, Innovation" It should be noted that the first Beavers playmate of the year was actually Jodi Ann Paterson, in 2000.

In an effort to come to some sort of amicable solution, I've created this section on the talk page and put a comment into the article text asking that this be worked out here before we continue this revert war. I've also removed the names of those involved from the main article and commented out the names of the people involved from the above copy.

So, what is the issue with this paragraph? She has been closely associated with the school from a reader's point of view due to her bodypaint cover and the numerous mentions in the text of any issue she's been in. She became PMOY and three of her fellow students chose to put up this banner. The paragraph helps point out the impact she's had within the student body. It's not an Oscar or Emmy, but it is some recognition by the students and an indication as to just how much of an association with the school that this woman has. I don't see the issue here. Can you please explain why this paragraph needs to be removed? Dismas|^(talk) 13:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

The paragraph should stay, it is reliably sourced and a somewhat notable event worthy of a mention. Revert the anon as vandalism and warn appropriately if they keep removing sourced content without explaining why. VegaDark (talk) 18:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

It should stay.DevilN dSkyz 02:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

When I was in college, I made a satirical Godfather poster that was taken down by the janitorial staff. Should I mention that on Marlon Brando's page? 99.225.180.228 (talk) 00:42, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

References

Ryan Seacrest

Does the Underwood/Seacrest rumor strike anyone else as dubious? It was a brief sequence, and basically added up to their showing up together to one location, getting a picture taken, and that was pretty much that. Showing up together for one, likely platonic get-together (with tellingly little follow-up media attention, if you search for reliable sources) leads me to believe it needn't be in the article. Townlake (talk) 03:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

• After two weeks of leaving it dubious-tagged, I went ahead and removed the Underwood/Seacrest rumor today. If anyone would like to re-add it with better sourcing, please do; I made a good faith effort to find more about it, but the one gossip site was all that was really out there. Townlake (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your explanation, as I was the one who originally put it in, and was surprised that someone removed it, especially because it was documented. But I agree with your rationale, and will let the edit stand. Asc85 (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Sara spoke of her relationship with Seacrest on the Howard Stern show, making it much better supported now. As the quality of the relationship we can't say but it is now at least verifiable they had a relationship. -- Horkana (talk) 06:12, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

While I'm cleaning up the relationship information, there was chatter (myspace/twitter) about her dating comedian Jeff Dye and then more chatter when after a while she wasn't. It's perfectly credible and she was seen with him at an event or two there just aren't any decent verifyable sources. You can probably still see a superbowl video she made with him on myspace. Although several small edits were made none of these sources were good enough to go into the article though either so that stays out too unless someone comes up with a half decent source. -- Horkana (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Another good faith edit reverted. There's really no doubt she has at some point dated Jeff Dye and is probably still dating him. There are enough minor sources like event photos and twitter scraps that there should be no real doubt that you can WP:VERIFY it, but it just hasn't come from any WP:NOTABLE sources yet.

Actually before the Jeff Dye page was deleted there was (still is) a video source where he says "Sara Jean Underwood, that's my ex-girlfriend" "Comedian Jeff Dye on his rise to stardom". June 7, 2010. that should probably be enough to support "Jeff Dye dated Sara Jean Underwood" so long as there isn't any other speculation right?

If I post "Townlake dated Sara Jean Underwood" on my video blog, can I be in the article too? Townlake (talk) 01:44, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Townlake if-that-is-your-real-name and if you can get a bikini photo of Sara with "I love Townlake" written in the sand then sure, I wouldn't be as skeptical as other editors seem to believe is necessary. (P.S. This is not a challenge to show me your photoshop skills.)

Even with sources any editor can still quote the rules to suit themselves and say it's not WP:NOTABLE so I'm not going to put too much effort into finding a better source. -- Horkana (talk) 01:55, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for taking my dumb comment in the spirit intended. Those photos are mighty good clues, but we'd agree that's not enough. It's somewhat odd that perhaps the best-recognized Playmate of the Year in a decade would have a romance as intense as this one looks with absolutely zero press coverage of it. It sure looks like Mr. Dye wouldn't be trying to keep it quiet. Townlake (talk) 02:54, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think they are hiding anything (twittering about each other and posting pictures of themselves together at events, Jessica and Roger Rabbit) only having as normal a relationship as their careers, and locations allow. I don't get the impression that either of them chase publicity the way some celebrities do. -- Horkana (talk) 14:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Cosmetic Surgery

There have been a few edits claiming she has had cosmetic surgery but these have not had suitable sources and although I'd like to leave them in tagged with a request for citation I don't believe suitable sources are available yet. There is speculation on the internet about her having had rhinoplasty and possibly also work done on her breasts but the change if any was small and difficult to verify and are based on photographic comparison. Hopefully this note will help users trying to find out more on this subject and perhaps they can add here if better references become available. -- Horkana (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

There are pictures from twitter floating around and she mentioned it on the Kendra TV Series apparently. Other sources claim she has confirmed having a nose job after winning Playmate of the Year. -- Horkana (talk) 13:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

There can be no question from the new pics of her available at the Cyber Club that she has had breast augmentation work done as can be seen in this video [1]. I am so disappointed in her and I had to make sure people knew about this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayma (talk • contribs) 04:27, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

The information is pretty well confirmed at this stage and the Playboy Cyber Club Xtra photoshoot provides further evidence for any doubters.

The article might be improved by more information about her self-image and her view on cosmetic surgery if a good source becomes available. I thought it was important that the article include the quote where she said she did not think she was pretty enough to be a playmate, which goes some way to explain why she opted for surgery despite being acclaimed for her beauty. -- Horkana (talk) 02:28, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Structure

I want to add more structure to the article by including section headings, to keep it nice and tidy. I'd like to separate out her Playboy work, my first thought was to create a section labelled "Playboy" as a lot of her work ties in very directly to Playboy. Then I thought a more generic heading such as "Modelling" might work well for this purpose and be more 'encyclopedic'. There isn't much biographical or early life material in the article, separating playboy and post playboy work would be the main thing. Any thoughts anyone? -- Horkana (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Modeling would be better, IMO. That way if she has any other modeling credits, we don't have to shoe horn it in somewhere else. Dismas|^(talk) 01:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Height

There is conflicting information on her height. The uchicago source says 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m) and the website listing the Playboy datasheet says 5 ft 5 in (1.65 m). I looked up the datasheet from July 2006 and it says 5'3 so it is best to stick with that, it would seem more likely the mistake occurred on the later website and not the print edition. -- Horkana (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

• Considering the Playmate data sheets often don't even use the models' real names, it seems silly to use them as an official source for anything. Townlake (talk) 15:44, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
  • We've discussed the sheets in the past... somewhere... The datasheets are filled out by the models themselves. So, I'm fine with going by the datasheet in the magazine. Dismas|^(talk) 16:07, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
    • In her own words she says she's 5'2 which should be enough to debunk any notion she is 5'5 but people have been known to exaggerate their measurements and video sources like Youtube tend to be brittle so I'll just leave well enough alone and keep it at 5'3. Sara Jean Underwood: Playboy Playmate Video Data Sheet on YouTube
      • A more recent comment from Twitter where she says she is only 5'2. -- Horkana (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletions of sourced material

An editor is deleting properly sourced material. The material is well sourced and the text carefully understates what article says and provides a quote of the article text for good measure. It is not a transcript of the radio show but the editor simply assert the source wasn't credible.
The editor also repeatedly removed a category, asserting that it is inappropriate without explaining the deletion and ignoring that this Category is used on many other similar articles for Playboy Playmates. A link to a discussion showing some consensus for this category deletion would be preferable but at the very least the edit summary should justify the deletion and not simply assert that it is correct without any effort to explain.
The category removal might have some basis but it was not explained, the other edit of sourced material is not justifiable at all. -- Horkana (talk) 15:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

I think the sourcing is fine for what the material is, I oppose deletion of it.--Milowent (talk) 16:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Shorten Article Name?

Isn't she more commonly known as just Sara Underwood now? --TheTruthiness (talk) 06:44, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

If you can show that it is what she is known by, then go for it. See WP:COMMONNAME. Dismas|^(talk) 02:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

For reasons unexplained (no edit summary) the episode of Kendra where she mentioned breast augmentation was deleted from the article. It can be restored from older versions. -- 109.77.179.58 (talk) 15:56, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Some editors seem to misunderstand the difference between an episode citatation (with a link to IMDB) and a reference that is using using IMDB as a source, only the latter is discouraged. (On top of that Wikipedia is full of BoxOfficeMojo/IMDB/Amazon links, it isn't a blanket ban, it is just discouraged in favor of other better sources. Most IMDB content comes from press releases anyhow.) -- 109.77.179.58 (talk) 06:01, 24 October 2012 (UTC)