Talk:Same-sex marriage in New York

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Do you mean in New York City? What about New Paltz?--Pharos 06:48, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• OK, it was just odd that New Paltz was not mentioned in the first version. The article now is considerably improved.--Pharos 23:07, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The NY Times is reporting that the Court rejected same-sex marriage. No article yet, it's just a breaking news headline. I threw this into the article, but will update it with more details as they are released. Liamdaly620 13:15, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

2009 Senate Vote Count

People have been looking for the vote count because it is hard to find online. I posted it on Wiki today, It would be nice if someone revised it in a table showing party affiliation and how each senator casted their vote. This information is paramount to the future of Marriage in the State of New York because it is the first time NYS senators are put on record for their stance on the issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.179.251 (talk) 16:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

16:30, 3 December 2009 Czolgolz (talk | contribs) (45,951 bytes) (Undid revision 329477939 by 74.76.179.251 (talk) the vote count is really not neccessary, espcially in all caps) (undo)

I concede that perhaps the vote count is not needed in the form of all caps, however a table displaying how each senator voted is indeed historic and extremely relevant to the decision yesterday. You had a large number of democrats vote down the measure, a key swing republican/democrat senator Monserrate of Jackson Heights make a swing vote against the measure, and Gov. David Paterson is out praising the historic record of a first time vote in NYS Senate. Advocates of Gay Marriage believe that now there is a "path" (Gov. Patersons words) on what votes need to be considered. I do not see how a wikipedia page on NYS Gay Marriage could leave out that important record. I urge you to reconsider. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nycutiepi (talk • contribs) 16:51, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Documents on the NY leg website sometimes have names in all caps, so this was probably a case of copy & paste rather than somebody choosing to emphasize them. Шизомби (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

That is true, I did research and found the vote count on nys senate's webpage http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/api/html/bill/S66003, it is in all caps. But that again is an excuse for not allowing the posting of again material that is critical to the topic. The Governor of NYS as well as activists from leading groups in support of same sex marriage have outlined the significance of how senators voted, particularly the "swing senators" who were responsible for throwing the majority to the republicans this past summer. Opponents of the bill also point out that the fact that eight democratic senators (from nyc) having voted against the bill is again significant. By all means each side of this issue can agree that the vote count should be on record and should be public and I make my final request that it be included, perhaps in a form of a table outlining party affiliation (blue/red shading) as NYS Senate's wiki currently does. Again the webpage http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/api/html/bill/S66003 has the official vote count as a primary source document. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.76.179.251 (talk) 07:14, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Here is the table based off the senate wiki...the table has the bill s66003 vote count referenced with its primary source document...I will leave it for an administrator to make the call if this table should be added.

District	Senator	Party	Vote on S66003	Residence
1	Kenneth LaValle	Republican	NAY	Port Jefferson
2	John J. Flanagan	Republican	NAY	East Northport
3	Brian X. Foley	Democratic	AYE	Blue Point
4	Owen H. Johnson	Republican	NAY	West Babylon
5	Carl Marcellino	Republican	NAY	Syosset
6	Kemp Hannon	Republican	NAY	Garden City
7	Craig Johnson	Democratic	AYE	Port Washington
8	Charles Fuschillo	Republican	NAY	Merrick
9	Dean Skelos	Republican	NAY	Rockville Centre
10	Shirley Huntley	Democratic	NAY	Jamaica
11	Frank Padavan	Republican	NAY	Bellerose
12	George Onorato	Democratic	NAY	Astoria
13	Hiram Monserrate	Democratic	NAY	Jackson Heights
14	Malcolm Smith	Democratic	AYE	St. Albans
15	Joseph Addabbo, Jr.	Democratic	NAY	Ozone Park
16	Toby Ann Stavisky	Democratic	AYE	Flushing
17	Martin Malave Dilan	Democratic	AYE	Bushwick
18	Velmanette Montgomery	Democratic	AYE	Brooklyn
19	John Sampson	Democratic	AYE	Brooklyn
20	Eric Adams	Democratic	AYE	Brooklyn
21	Kevin Parker	Democratic	AYE	Brooklyn
22	Martin Golden	Republican	NAY	Bay Ridge
23	Diane Savino	Democratic	AYE	Staten Island
24	Andrew Lanza	Republican	NAY	Staten Island
25	Dan Squadron	Democratic	AYE	Brooklyn
26	Liz Krueger	Democratic	AYE	New York
27	Carl Kruger	Democratic	NAY	Brooklyn
28	Jose M. Serrano	Democratic	AYE	Spanish Harlem
29	Thomas Duane	Democratic	AYE	New York
30	Bill Perkins	Democratic	AYE	Harlem
31	Eric Schneiderman	Democratic	AYE	Washington Heights
32	Rubén Díaz	Democratic	NAY	Soundview
33	Pedro Espada	Democratic	AYE	Mamaroneck
34	Jeffrey Klein	Democratic	AYE	Throgs Neck
35	Andrea Stewart-Cousins	Democratic	AYE	Yonkers
36	Ruth Hassell-Thompson	Democratic	AYE	Williamsbridge
37	Suzi Oppenheimer	Democratic	AYE	Mamaroneck
38	Thomas Morahan	Republican	NAY	Clarkstown
39	Bill Larkin	Republican	NAY	New Windsor
40	Vincent Leibell	Republican	NAY	Patterson
41	Stephen Saland	Republican	NAY	Poughkeepsie
42	John Bonacic	Republican	NAY	Mount Hope
43	Roy McDonald	Republican	NAY	Stillwater
44	Hugh Farley	Republican	NAY	Schenectady
45	Betty Little	Republican	NAY	Queensbury
46	Neil Breslin	Democratic	AYE	Albany
47	Joseph Griffo	Republican	NAY	Rome
48	Darrel Aubertine	Democratic	NAY	Cape Vincent
49	David Valesky	Democratic	AYE	Oneida
50	John DeFrancisco	Republican	NAY	Syracuse
51	James Seward	Republican	NAY	Milford
52	Thomas W. Libous	Republican	NAY	Binghamton
53	George H. Winner, Jr.	Republican	NAY	Elmira
54	Michael Nozzolio	Republican	NAY	Fayette
55	James Alesi	Republican	NAY	East Rochester
56	Joseph Robach	Republican	NAY	Greece
57	Catharine Young	Republican	NAY	Olean
58	William Stachowski	Democratic	NAY	Lake View
59	Dale Volker	Republican	NAY	Depew
60	Antoine Thompson	Democratic	AYE	Buffalo
61	Michael Ranzenhofer	Republican	NAY	Clarence
62	George D. Maziarz	Republican	NAY	Newfane

A nicely-designed table! Were there an article on the 2009 bills, it would be good for that. Here, it would take up a lot of space, though as something hidden by default it might be good. I'm not sure (and was just wondering elsewhere) about the style guide on the show/hide function. Шизомби (talk) 16:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

References

2007 June update?

I'm reading online (e.g., OutZone.com) that the NY House approved same-sex marriage legislation championed by Daniel O'Donnell, but that the NY Senate is expected to reject it. No mention in the article. Update? Even if it doesn't pass, a comprehensive article on the subject should mention the activity on the issue, seems to me. Lawikitejana 03:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

"Recognition" seems severely overstated

The lede in this article says that NY state recognizes same-sex marraiges performed elsewhere. However, when discussing the details, it mentions only that the state govt. will administrtavely recognize such marriages when making decisions about partner benefits for its pension plans. This is a far cry from actually recognizing these marriages as marriages under New York state law, which would carry with them a whole host of other rights and responsibilities involving tax law, spousal support, rights to private insurance, child custody, etc. If none of these are touched on by the NY state decision, then this really needs to be reworded. --Jfruh (talk) 23:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Should be interesting to see what happens with all the inevitable appeals and subsequent court cases. New York is adjacent to three jurisdictions (Ontario, Québec, Massachusetts) which perform actual marriages, so the issue will inevitably keep arising in court cases in various contexts. --66.102.80.212 (talk) 02:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

The NY courts have now recognized same-sex marriages for purposes of inheritance and divorce (at least twice), and reportedly also adoption though I can't find the reference. I think this is cut-and-dried -- NY really is recognizing same-sex marriages from Canada, Massachusetts, etc. 67.241.26.34 (talk) 06:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Lengthy quotation from Governor Paterson is unnecessary

The gratuituous, self-congratulatory remarks from Governor Paterson are inappropriate. They read more like advocacy than like an encyclopedia entry. If anyone believes that these remarks should be retained, please advise.

SCBC (talk) 19:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

i have redacted the paterson reference and removed all but the pertinent statement. i think it is important as a promise which was made but is hard to find documented on the internet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.30.166 (talk) 18:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC) --Pauljoffe

Thank you.

SCBC (talk) 21:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Removal of "pro-family"

This term is POV. Groups/people on both sides of the issue may be pro-family or anti-family, depending on the POV.Gimmethoseshoes (talk) 05:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

artical out of date

this is very out of date it mentions a vote planed for June 24 2009 it is august and the vote is expected in early September —Preceding unsigned comment added by The truth maker (talk • contribs) 20:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Senate more conservative than population?

The claim made in the opening paragraph about the NY State Senate being more conservative than the population cites an opinion column from The Guardian. As there is no scientific data to support that claim aside from the results of one vote, I don't think that's a fair claim to make. Does anyone else feel the same way, or am I just reading too much into this? Marchoi (talk) 03:30, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I wondered about that myself. It may be true, but there could stand to be a better source for it. It is true that the vote of the Senate went more conservative than the polling of New Yorkers on this issue. Шизомби (talk) 04:34, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The NY Senate is famously gerrymandered to benefit the incumbent Republicans (a complex story in itself -- the Assembly is gerrymandered to benefit the incumbent Democrats), so there's no real dispute over whether it's more conservative than than the population as a whole. It is. I think the difference between the Senate vote and the polling is enough evidence for this article. 74.79.28.150 (talk)

New York SIXTH state to legalize same-sex marriage?

According to http://www.statesthatallowgaymarriage.com/ New York was the SIXTH state to legalize same-sex marriage.

Should that be changed from "seventh" state on the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.153.102.75 (talk) 15:40, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

See Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#States_that_license_same-sex_marriage_.28table.29. Your source is miscounting California. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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