Talk:Saint-Leonard, Quebec

Requested move - March 2008

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The result of the proposal was - move.

As per WP:CANSTYLE#Neighbourhoods, this article should be moved to St. Leonard, Quebec. In accordance with the guideline, however, the move is first being raised on the talk page. --Skeezix1000 (talk) 20:47, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

• Support per naming convention. --Qyd (talk) 21:24, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

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Requested Move - May 2008

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The result of the proposal was not moved.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

• Saint-Léonard, Quebec I believe that it should be moved to this name instead because it is official. MTLskyline (talk) 18:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. As per WP:CANSTYLE and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), we use the name most commonly used in English for article titles, which may not necessarily be the official name. For that reason, we have articles at Warsaw - not Warszawa, Munich - not München, Quebec City - not Québec, etc. etc. Skeezix1000 (talk) 11:57, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

In any event, you have done a formal WP:RM request for a move to Saint-Léonard, Quebec, but the discussion above pertains to the earlier successful move request of St. Leonard (borough) to St. Leonard, Quebec. Thus, I have moved this discussion to a new section. Skeezix1000 (talk) 12:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

• Comment what's wrong with using ENGLISH? 74.15.105.205 (talk) 04:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per Skeezix1000. GreenJoe 12:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose. As per Skeezix1000, Wikipedia's rule is to use the name most commonly used in English, not necessarily the official name. We do err on the side of official usage for many Quebec-related articles, but that's not because official wins on principle — it's because for many Quebec-related topics "common English usage" is ambiguous and not easily determined. For example, we do use Université du Québec à Montréal rather than an English translation, but that's because there are several different ways that the institution may be referred to in English, and thus there's no single standard English name for the thing. Note, however, that we also use National Assembly of Quebec rather than the official French name, because in that case the English usage is clear and unequivocal. Similarly, compare Trois-Rivières ("common English usage" not easily determined) vs. Montreal ("common English usage" quite clearly doesn't have the accent on it, regardless of what's "official".) Please review WP:CANSTYLE. Note that this is all straight out of WP:NC, which explicitly states that the rule is to Name your pages in English and place the native transliteration on the first line of the article unless the native form is more commonly recognized by readers than the English form. Bearcat (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose per CANSTYLE and Bearcat's excellent summary, above. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
• I suppose it's not necessary but I'll just pile on another oppose here per Skeezix1000 et al. DoubleBlue (Talk) 21:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Move

This page was moved without discussion, and as can be seen here, in the past such moves have been rejected. Dbrodbeck (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

• I've moved it back. If anyone wants to move it again, it should be discussed here first. Ground Zero | t 05:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Language Debate

The current section on the language of education of Italian immigrants is inaccurate and contains much conjecture. It fails to note the single most important aspect of this debate, which is that Italian immigrant children were barred from French school by local administrators (against the orders of the school board) who did not want to encourage the dilution of their "pure" blood, especially when the Italians were viewed as bad Catholics compared to the pious French Canadians. This information is incredibly important because it is contrary to later demands that immigrant children be educated in French. Any description that does not mention this fails to touch upon the crux of the debate. I have removed the unsupported claims and replaced them with information from a credible source.--174.94.90.228 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Sources? Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:37, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Move

Hi everyone. I know moves have been turned down in the past, but I don't see this one being a problem. I understand that Saint-Léonard with the accent wasn't the right avenue similar as Montréal or Québec, however, I've done a search that shows Saint-Leonard without the accent, but "Saint" written in full rather than "St." seems to be more prominent in English media.

St. Leonard, Quebec --> Saint-Leonard, Quebec

Examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6], etc.

Saint Leonard, Quebec also pulls in almost 150,000 more Google results than does St. Leonard, Quebec

Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 02:24, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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