Talk:Sacred Games (TV series)

Merger proposal

I am proposing that Sartaj Singh (character) be merged into this page. The character is not independently notable outside of the universe of this work of fiction, and a significant portion of the material in the source page is more relevant to the destination page (i.e. the TV show). Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 03:35, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sacred Games (TV series)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 14:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm Some Dude From North Carolina, and I will be reviewing this article. Expect comments later in the day. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 14:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Basic stuff and comments

Infobox

• A better fair use rationale should be added to the article's title card, preferably this one.

I don't see any issue with the current one. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• The duplicate links in the infobox can stay per MOS:DUPLINK.

Done

• In the infobox, the "written by" column should be removed per the rules on the infobox, which state that "Do not use if the show has many (5+) writers."

 Done Chompy Ace 23:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• The use of "<br>" or "<br/>" should be replaced with the Plainlist or Unbulleted list template.

Done. The rest have only 1-2 entries. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:03, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• Only problem here is with the first sentence of the last paragraph, which reads: "The first four episodes of Sacred Games premiered on 30 June 2018". This is then followed by "and the full eight-episode season was released on Netflix on 5 July 2018". Were the first four episodes of the series released on Netflix or somewhere else? If they were from Netflix, shouldn't this be mentioned in the infobox? If they weren't, it should be mentioned in the lead.

Reprhased the entire bit. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Overview

• The sentence "In season two, Gaitonde's story continues in flashbacks which affect Sartaj's present." needs rewording as it's a bit confusing.

Rephrased the last bit. Hope its fine. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:05, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Cast and Episodes

• Looks good.

Production

Development

• It should be mentioned that "Netflix approached Phantom Films to produce a series" in 2016.

It was 2014 according to this source.

• There is no mention in this reference that it was 2014 when "Vikramaditya Motwane met the Netflix team during a visit to Los Angeles". The reference (from 2018) states that it happened "three and a half years ago", which could be 2014 or 2015.

Removed that bit.

• The reference right after the sentence finishing with "and thought it was 'great'" should be marked as dead.

Replaced the dead link.

• The sentence "calling the process" seems vague. It should be mentioned that Motwane was referring to writing for the show.

Fixed.

• The phrase "parallel tracks" is not mentioned in its reference.

Tweaked

• The claim "since he read it in 2006 when it was published" needs a reference.

Removed. I couldn't find a ref.

• The sentence "In 2014, he was approached by AMC and Scott Free Productions to direct an English-language adaptation of the novel" is mentioned nowhere in the reference right after it. However, a small mention can be found in the following citation, so I would replace it.

Added the above mentioned source. The first source does mentions that he was offered the series in 2014.

• The reference after "it had to be a gripping slow-burner" is dead, so it should be marked as dead with "url-status=dead".

Fixed dead URL.

• The sentence ending with "the Kurukshetra War" should be referenced.

It is covered in the following reference.

• The fact that the poison was "created from the churning of the sea" is not mentioned in the reference.

Samudra manthan literally means "sea churning".

• "Aatapi and Vatapi were two demons who tricked travellers with hospitality and killed them" is pure copy-pasting. Rephrase it, or add quotation marks.

Tweaked.

• TYPO! Change the uses of "Kuckoo" to "Kukoo" or "Kukkoo" per the reference used.

Done Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:24, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Casting and characters

• As the only previous mentions are in #Cast and the lead, it should be mentioned who Saif Ali Khan portrays on the show (Inspector Sartaj Singh).

Done

• This reference does not say that Radhika Apte "did not read the novel".

Removed

• The sentence needs to be fixed: "...casting popular actors like Khan and Siddiqui "drives a larger audience to watch. He said that it was easier to convince Apte and Neeraj Kabi for the roles after Khan and Siddiqui were cast." The reference has part of it, but I think there are missing quotation marks that would divide the main text from the article.

Fixed

• This section also an incorrect spelling of "Kuckoo". Change it to "Kukoo" or "Kukkoo" per the reference used and to be consistent with other sections (like #Cast).

Done

• The sentence "the lack of references for the role made it "the most challenging experience" of her career" is also copy-pasted.

Tweaked

• This reference does not state that Elnaaz Norouzi "developed a large Instagram following for her Hindi accent".

Removed. I don't know who had added it. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• This doesn't mention who edited the series.

Season 1

• I notice that you can't link the YouTube video from the first sentence because it's from a random user, so I suggest replacing it with a different source.

It's not a random user, but E24 and the reason you can't access it because I have used the AV media template. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: The AV media template lets you add links. Just add "|url=" and "|access-date=" Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 15:20, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Done.

• Remove the year after Black Friday per consistency.

Added release year for Mukkabaaz. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• The phrase "without being confined to a three-act structure" should be in quotation marks.

It has been rephrased. He was making this point but not in the above mentioned words. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• It seems that the second paragraph focuses on the filming aspects of the season, so the fact that "Chandra served as a script consultant in the series" seems out of place.

Moved.

• There is no mention of the color saffron in this reference.

Fixed Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Change "Yellow color" to "The color yellow".

 Done Chompy Ace 21:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Season 2

• The teaser found here is 45-seconds, not 58.

Fixed. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:47, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• A better source should be added about Surveen Chawla's small role in the first season.

Done.

• This reference has no mention of filming taking place in Nairobi.

Added one.

• According to the Instagram post from this reference, filming concluded on the 19th, not the 20th.

Fixed.

Release

• The first teaser was released on May 3, not the 4th.

Fixed

• The second reference stating that the series was "subtitled in over 20 languages" is not free to use. Add "|url-access=registration" or "|url-access=limited" to the citation.

 Done Chompy Ace 23:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

• This claim needs a reference: "On 10 July 2018, Indian National Congress member Rajeev Kumar Sinha filed a first information report against Netflix"

Done

• I don't see a reason why the two sentences "...democratic right": "My father" can't be merged into "...democratic right. My father"

Done

• The fact that "Sacred Games was pirated on Tamil Rockers" seems out of place. It should either be expanded or removed.

Removed. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:00, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Reception

Critical response

• The Rotten Tomatoes "critics consensus" of the first season should probably be added to the first paragraph.

Since we are talking about the critical reception of the overall series, writing the RT consensus of just one season feels odd. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Whatever ": " is, is not good. Please remove the two uses of ": " (not just the colons, but the actually ": ") and merge the sentences in which they appeared.

This cannot happen since I'm taking parts of their direct quotes and using them in the sentence. I can't just remove the "" as its quoting verbatim. It's done in order to avoid long direct quotes. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: Per consistency with other articles "[...]" should be used to avoid confusion instead of ":". Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 15:23, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Inverted comma's are not the same as "[...]". Please read similar GA's and their reception sections. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Awards and recognition

• At the Indian Television Academy Awards, the series won for "Best Show Jury (Web)" and "Best Supporting Actor (Web)" according to this reference.

Fixed

• The reference right after the phrase "2019 Best Drama International Emmy Award" should be marked as dead as it no longer "works"

Replaced

• The sentence containing "and Fonseca the Best..." seems wordy. I suggest changing it to "while Fonseca received the Best..."

Done

• The names in that sentence should also be in full, so change Dasgupta to Alokananda Dasgupta and Fonseca to Sylvester Fonseca.

Done

• Per consistency, every mention of the word "Award" after an actual award (ex. Best Drama International Emmy Award) should be capitalized.

Done

• I found a bit of other awards missing from this section, such as the Gold Awards, and another Indian Television Academy Award win.

Added Gold Awards. The ITAA wins are already mentioned. I have intentionally skipped the nominations unless it was notable like the Emmy. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Other stuff

• Saif Ali Khan and Radhika Apte should be linked in the captions they appear in.

It's not necessary. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• The "Soundtrack" section should be moved under "Production" and retitled as "Music" per MOS:TVPRODUCTION. A short description should also be added.

Done Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

• Per MOS:TVRECEPTION, "Awards and recognition" should be a subsection under release, and the rest of the info should be under a subsection titled "Critical response".

 Done Chompy Ace 23:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Notes

• @Yashthepunisher: Due to personal reasons, I'm not going to be able to do complete my review until tomorrow. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 02:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

It's okay. Take your time. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: I have added most, if not all of my notes, and have put the article on hold. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 21:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Some Dude From North Carolina All done. Please have a look and thanks for conducting such a detailed review. Yashthepunisher (talk) 13:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: Great job on the improvements! Everything looks great, but at the moment, the only thing that needs to be addressed is the claim that Aarti Bajaj edited the series in #Casting_and_characters, which isn't supported by this source. Some Dude From North Carolina^{wanna talk?} 15:51, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Some Dude From North Carolina Sorry I missed that. I have added a source now. Yashthepunisher (talk) 06:20, 10 January 2021 (UTC)