Talk:Ryan Grant (running back)

GA Review

This discussion is transcluded from Talk:Ryan Grant (running back)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the reassessment.

I have reviewed this article, and I found that it is close to being at a GA level. I did some copyediting and fixed small things myself, as per the suggestion at the WP:GAN page. My remaining concerns are:

1. I know that in professional wrestling articles, which is what I work on most of the time, we always (try to) give a reference for the birth date. Does this not happen in football articles? If there is no football project guideline, I would like to see a reference added for this http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/grant_ryan00.html works, and it's already used in the article, so it should be easy to add.
2. I believe the "High school career" section is mistaken. According to the source, Grant attended Don Bosco, then Clarkstown, then Don Bosco. The article claims that it was Clarkstown, then Don Bosco, then he transfered to Don Bosco.
3. The "High school career" section is quite short. Is there information available about the result of the state championship game?
4. The "High school career" section could also be bulked up with some of the information from http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/grant_ryan00.html (his basketball and track in high school).
5. In the "College career" section, it should be explained that Jones and Grant played the same position.
6. In the "College career" section, it should also be clear that Notre Dame and the Fighting Irish are the same team, as the article must be able to be understood by someone with little background knowledge.
7. For the same reason, terms like "touchdown" should be wikilinked. I'm not familiar with football articles, so I would also be interested to know if there is an appropriate wikilink to explain "yards" as it relates specifically to football.
8. The last sentence in the "College career" section needs a reference
9. For now, there is no need for a "2007" subsection in the "Green Bay Packers" section.
10. At the beginning of the "2007" subsection, "...played as the second-string running back behind DeShawn Wynn for the first 6 games of the season" should be referenced.
11. In the "Green Bay Packers" section, "carry" and "fumble" should have wikilinks.
12. In the second paragraph of the "2007" subsection, "ran out" sounds awkward.
13. The final three paragraphs of the "2007" subsection could be combined, as they are all quite short. If the final statement (the speculative one mentioned above about not re-signing) is removed, the final two paragraphs should still be combined.
14. The last sentence in the "2007" subsection reads as speculation unless a reference is given.
15. The quotations in the "2007" subsection would be better worked into the prose, "so as not to inhibit the pace, flow and organization of the article". I feel that having the quotations from Favre and McCarthy in their present form disrupts the flow of the article.
16. The paragraph about the FedEx Ground Player of the Week award seems like it would be better worked into the text, with a mention of the award(s) worked into the list in the "Achievements and awards" section". I am not sure how my suggestion fits in with Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League guidelines, though.

I am going to place this review on hold for up to seven days so that these can be fixed. As you go through, please indicate which ones have been completed by striking them out (like so) or adding a  Done check. The article is on my watchlist, so I will check back to see how the progress is going, and I will read over the article again once these concerns have been addressed. Great job so far, and please let me know if you have any questions or concerns about this review. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I made some fixes. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 23:01, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe all the issues have been resolved, are there anymore concerns? « Gonzo fan2007 (talk ♦ contribs) 06:33, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

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My concerns have been addressed, and I believe that this article now meets the requirements found at: Wikipedia:Good article criteria

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   blp=yes

A couple of things I think are important to mention:

1. Please keep this article on your watchlist. Although the article meets GA criteria now, it will require a lot of upkeep over the course of Grant's career to remain at this level.
2. My biggest suggestion for future improvement is to be careful about using the word "only". It can be seen as POV and call the neutrality of the article into question. When it is used in this article, I believe that it is clear that it means that his statistics for a game or period of time were down from their previous levels. I decided not to require this to be changed for the review because I can't think of another way to say this without sounding awkward. If you can work on this, it would improve the article.

Overall, great work and I hope to see you keep it up. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:34, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

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GA Reassessment

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I'm quickly delisting this as the article haven't really been fully updated since 2008 and is now prone to link rot and unsourced content thus it has a BLP sources tag now. Original nominator seems to have left Wikipedia. Sorry Secret ^account 13:21, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Ryan Grant (running back)/GA3. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sportsfan77777 (talk · contribs) 04:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

I'll review this one some time this week. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 04:55, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Sportsfan77777! I should be pretty available this week to respond to any issues. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Lead

• I don't think the Notre Dame coaches are notable enough for the lead.
• I don't think his college yardage or TD count is particularly impressive either.
• I think it puts his college career better into context to either say he started for one season or that he split time with future NFL player Julius Jones (or both).
• Or combining the above points, you could say he had a 1,000 rushing yard season in his only year as a starter.
• You should mention either that he never played a game for the Giants, OR that he made his NFL debut with the Packers.
• Clarify he initially played five seasons with the Packers.
• He played for the Redskins for a month, not a season.
• The SB champ sentence should go before the Redskins sentence.
• For the infobox, I think he was born in Suffern, NY, not Nyack. See for instance: (1) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GranRy00.htm, and (2) https://web.archive.org/web/20060825114410/http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/grant_ryan00.html

• Done. You may want to take a close look at these revisions, as a lot of the lead changed. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Early years

• I would mention that he played CB in high school too: "also made 61 tackles and seven interceptions at cornerback and safety" from https://web.archive.org/web/20060825114410/http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/grant_ryan00.html
• Don't repeat the words "championship game" in back-to-back sentences.
• Similarly, get rid of one of the last two "Don Bosco Prep"s (e.g. They lost the championship...)

• Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

College years

• In the freshman paragraph, clarify that he was a backup to Julius Jones
• "In running back Julius Jones' absence" ===> "With Jones suspended for the 2002 season due to academic violations"
• "Willingham started Grant for" ===> "Grant started" (the coach is not so important)
• Mention Air Force's ranking at the time.
• What was Notre Dame ranked after they beat Air Force?
• Before the last sentence in the sophomore paragraph with their record and ranking, mention Notre Dame's bowl result.
• In the last sentence of the sophomore paragraph, clarify that this was Grant's only season where Notre Dame finished the year ranked.
• In the junior paragraph, state Notre Dame's record at the end of the season.
• Jones took over in the fifth game and ran for 262 yards and two touchdowns against Pitt, a school record, in a 20–14 victory. <<<=== In this sentence, clarify that this performance helped him win back the starting job.
• but he split time with running back, Darius Walker <<=== Cite this. Also, did Grant begin the year as the starter? Clarify that in the first sentence of the senior paragraph.

• Done with most of the recommendations. I disagree with two though. I don't see how Notre Dame's ranking after they beat Air Force is relevant enough to be included in an article about Grant (note the next sentences states their final ranking, which is more relevant). Regarding adding text about this being the only season where Notre Dame finished the year ranked, I again don't see this as a relevant enough piece of info to be included. It also would require me to editorialize a bit, as I don't see a source that says this. So I would have to source all four season results just for that sentence. Let me know what you think. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:56, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

NY Giants

• In the first sentence (or second), say right away that he never played a game for the Giants.
• There's a citation needed tag.
• "almost bled to death" ===>> "was at risk of bleeding to death" (the other way sounds too dramatic for an encyclopedia)

• Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:13, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Green Bay Packers

• After Wynn suffered a shoulder injury in week 8, Grant took over in the second quarter against the Denver Broncos and ran for 104 yards in a 19–13 overtime win. <<<=== Clarify that this performance won him the starting job.
• Grant started each of the last ten games for the Packers <<<=== The career stats say he only started 7 games. (If he first started in Week 9 and there are only 17 weeks of the season, he couldn't have started 10 games.)
• Grant was voted the FedEx Ground NFL Player of the Week twice for the games played on November 11–12 and December 6–10 <<<=== State the week numbers instead of the dates.
• Instead of linking the playoff game in "were 42–20 winners", link it earlier in "divisional playoff game"
• Grant however went on to rush for 201 yards and three touchdowns, both of which set franchise records for Packers' post-season games, as the Packers were 42–20 winners. <<<=== before this sentence, add a transition sentence. (e.g. Despite the early deficit, the Packers were able to stage a comeback.)
• Instead of the link at "23–20 overtime loss", place the link under "NFC Championship game"
• On August 4, 2008, he signed a four-year deal (add "with the Packers")
• lost the Wild Card game ==>> lost their Wild Card game
• He underwent ankle surgery on September 21, 2010 and was expected to be fully healthy by the start of the 2011 season. ===>>> He underwent ankle surgery on September 21, 2010, but was expected to be fully healthy by the start of the 2011 season.

• Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:49, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Redskins

• Clarify that he wasn't signed until after the season began.

• Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:38, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Return to Green Bay

• an season-ending knee injury ==>>> a season-ending knee injury
• Although a few teams expressed interest ===>>> Although at least one team expressed interest (I think that's what the source says?)

• Done. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 01:14, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Career statistics

• Is there a standard format for this chart from the NFL WikiProject? The Calvin Johnson one looks a little different (The first two columns have a darker background; The headers in the top left also look a little different).
• Leave out the year in the caption of the 2008 picture. Otherwise, it looks out of place, given that it is not in chronological order.

• Done. Not sure about a standard, but I converted it to the style of Calvin Johnson. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Personal life

• You don't need to add to this section, but I'm surprised there isn't more info available.

• Me too. My last resort was going through his Twitter, but he has like 15,000 tweets, so... « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 02:35, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Overall

• No plagiarism detected.
• No bare refs.
• Images seem fine.
• This link doesn't work: Notre Dame Fighting Irish - Football - 2002 Individual Game-by-Game stats (info) http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/02indgbg.html

• Replaced the reference. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:03, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Gonzo_fan2007: All of the comments are minor. Placing on hold. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 22:12, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the review Sportsfan77777. I believe I have addressed or responded to all of your comments. Note that I added a diff under each section showing all of the changes for that section. Cheers, « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 03:58, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Gonzo_fan2007: Okay, looks good. I did some mostly minor copyediting; feel free to take a look at those changes. Passing! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 06:15, 16 September 2018 (UTC)