Talk:Russian passport

Israel

Russia and Israel entered a visa-free regime in 2008 (link: http://en.rian.ru/world/20080320/101840804.htm ) so the list should be updated --Krotx (talk) 17:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Read the article more carefully:) Israel has been listed as visa-free in the article since September 2008. --Tetromino (talk) 04:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
• Israel citizens were locked in Kaliningrad with visas to be expied as they would arrival to Moscow. Some russians were to (because there is NO ground transit with internal passports only) 195.225.129.103 (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Citizenry

How do most Russians feel about having to carry internal passports? It should be included in the article, because quite frankly, it sounds like a hellish situation. 98.221.133.96 (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, the requirement is to carry an ID, not necessarily an internal passport. A foreign (zagranichny) passport would work fine, and a driver's licence. For most people it is simply easier to carry their internal passport. The situation does not seem to be different from that in other countries. Could you explain what's wrong with it in your opinion? Kostiq (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

"For most people it is simply easier to carry their internal passport." Uh, ok. We don't have internal passports at all in my country, the USA, and this is true for most of the western world. While things are changing, for the worse in my opinion, there is still no law in the US requiring an "internal passport" of any kind. You actually don't need ID to walk down the street. Are you from Russia? If so, it's fascinating that you seem indifferent to having an internal passport. The whole concept of needing a passport to travel domestically seems so odd to me, and against the ideals of freedom that I find it very bizarre and strange. Just sharing my opinion. None of what I'm saying resonates with you? How do others feel? 98.221.133.96 (talk) 00:23, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I was never carrying an ID while walking down the streets in Russia - in most cases this is not needed, and actually it seems that it is not compulsory by law. If you travel by train or air, you must have an ID with you - but in the USA, you also need an ID to travel by air, do not you?
The police have the right to request your ID only if you are a crime suspect. I believe this is the same in the USA, isn't it? The problem is that this right is easy to abuse. In Russia, especially in bigger cities, policemen can claim you resemble someone wanted, and place you in custody until your identity is determined (but not longer than for some time which I do not remember now). They would release you from custody for a small amount of money unofficially paid to them.
The problem is thus not in the law, but in the improper conduct of policemen. Identity cards or passports are compulsory in many countries, see List_of_identity_card_policies_by_country. The USA is more like an exception, actually. Kostiq (talk) 12:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I guess it was the concept of a passport for internal travel which was so mindblowing to me. To board domestic flights and trains in the US does often require some for of ID these days, but it is requested by the private airline and train companies whose services you are going to use. There is no national ID or domestic passport in the US. I got the impression from this article that you needed an internal passport or some other form of ID in Russia to simply walk down the street. Also, I feel the problem is in both the law and the corruption it allows for. The US, sadly, is also headed in this direction. Now, if you're in Moscow and you want to drive to St. Petersburg, do you need the internal passport? 98.221.133.96 (talk) 00:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Theoretically, not. Practically, I'd take it, just in case. A driving license that you have to carry if you drive would suffice in most cases, though. I agree that the concept of an internal passport is mindblowing; most countries issue only one sort of passport for normal citizens. 212.149.173.205 (talk) 10:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I can tell, the name is more of a holdover from the Soviet era and there is really not a great different between the internal passport and a citizen ID, and contrary to what 98 said, quite a large chunk of the western world do have citizen IDs and it is often compulsory to carry this ID or some other form of ID. It's really only in the anglophone Western world that IDs seem unusual. I suggest people take a look at Identity document. Whether or not you agree with this practice, wikipedia isn't the place to discuss Nil Einne (talk) 23:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia is an excellent place to discuss this. If what you say is true, that "internal passport" is a misnomer and the document is more eqivalent to an ID document, then it should be sourced and clarified in the article. 'Internal passport' seems to imply one needs a visa and formal permission to travel throughout their native land, (i.e. freedom of movement doesn't exist). And. as this is English language Wikipedia, most readers are probably from "the anglophone Western world [where] IDs seem unusual." 98.221.133.96 (talk) 13:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

"Russian citizens who move abroad and decide to give up their Russian residency must surrender their internal passport to their local Russian consulate." - is this information really correct? - as far as i know, nobody has to surender their internal passport anymore, they are valid until the expiration date (i.e the holder reaches age 20 or 45). I checked purposely the sites of russian embassies and none of them mentions that - all they require is a stamp on the adress page saying the registration as resident in russia is void. Did some of the authors have to surrender their passport themselves, and when? (I didn't undergo the procedure yet, but when i contacted the consulate they didn't say anything about this either). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zhvr (talk • contribs) 00:24, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I think you are right. You need to submit your internal passport as part of the application to give up residency, but it seems they are supposed to return the passport to you at the end.Tetromino (talk) 00:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have removed Zimbabwe off the Visa on Arrival list. This information was not correct. Please do not information that is not correct.Pryde 01 (talk) 10:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Since June 2007 holders of Russian diplomatic passports can enter the European Union without visas for 90 days. Do you believe this should be mentioned? Kostiq (talk) 06:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

If you have a source for this : Yes ! Passportguy (talk) 11:05, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

There is an agreement [1] between the European Union and Russia. Its article 11 tells that "1. Citizens of the Russian Federation or the Member States, holders of valid diplomatic passports may enter, leave and transit through the territories of the Member States or the Russian Federation without visas." The problem is that when one checks websites of consulates and ministries of foreign affairs, there is no mentioning of this fact. For example, Estonian embassy [2] does not list Russia as a country whose diplomatic passports are accepted for visa-free entry. Kostiq (talk) 15:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

It may be that this treaty has not been implemented yet. In that case you'll need to wait until that happens in order to add the info to the page. Passportguy (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

The treaty has been in force and implemented since June 1 2007. I will add those countries on whose websites visa-free entry for Russian diplomatic passport holders is mentioned. Kostiq (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

If the treaty is indeed in force and ratified by all 27 member states, then you can add all of them sice this is a treaty between the EU as a whole and Russia. However do check that the treaty has been ratified by all states. Passportguy (talk) 15:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Transcaucasia

Moved the three Transcaucasian republics - Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia - to Asia, because no matter what historic, cultural or other reasons, geographically those countries are in Asia. Also removed Abkhazia and South Ossetia from the list altogether - they are not countries, not the ones recognized by the world community. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.92.182.136 (talk • contribs)

• So, why you did not delete information about visa-free acsess to Kosovo in article about Albanian passport? As long as it reads so there, why can't we here place information about Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Double standarts, again. - 84.250.63.154 (talk) 19:50, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  • 1)These countries are already recognized at least by Russia (but it's probably not an issue to discuss here)
    2)These countries are de-facto independent for several years, and in an article providing some travel-related information it would be logical to mention them, according to the real situation. (There's no point to apply for a visa for Abkhazia in an embassy of Georgia, whatever passport one carries, russian or not, isn't it?)

And chile?

"On November 26, 2008 the President of Brazil, Luis Inacio Lula da Silva and the President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev signed an agreement on the abolition of visas for citizens of both countries for up to 90 days.[4]. Argentina is expected to join the visa-free regime with Russia sometime in 2009[5]. Also, "according to the planned agreement between Russia and Hong Kong" Russian citizens will be able to visit Hong Kong visa-free.[6] According to US Ambassador Kurt Amend US and Russia are having talks on abolishing visa regime between two countries. [7]"

Shouldn't Chile also be in that list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.255.215.11 (talk) 21:14, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Hong Kong visa-free from July 1

I think HK must be added by itself (or at least in section of China) http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2009/07/090701_hongkong_visas.shtml Paultoff (talk) 05:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• Hong Kong is already in the Asia table in the article. In fact, it was added on July 1. --Tetromino (talk) 06:16, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Georgia

No visa-free: official [[3]] 85.140.53.37 (talk) 19:38, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

• Of course Georgia is not visa-free. It's visa-on-arrival, issued for 100 lari in the airport. --Tetromino (talk) 07:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Russia is NOT in this list. 195.225.129.103 (talk) 14:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Again: as your link says, Russia is not in the "List of the countries whose citizens do not need a visa to enter and stay on the territory of Georgia for 360 days", you are correct. So, a Russian citizen who wants to enter or stay on the territory of Georgia needs a visa - but he can get that visa in the Tbilisi airport! --Tetromino (talk) 16:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Misleading infobox

The infobox only contains information regarding the newest biometric passport that had been issued to a fraction of the populace. As a matter of fact, it needs to concentrate on the mandatory internal passport, and at least point at the highly non-mandatory (and quite bueraucratised) nature of the foreign passport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.138.166.221 (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Date first issued: 2010??

This cannot be correct. Perhaps it refers to the newest version, but I am pretty sure Russia had the institution of passport since the times of the SU, and most likely, before that. I am actually curious when did the first Russian passports were issued? In the Russian Empire time? Anybody can cite a year? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me} 19:05, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

According to this source they were in use in the 1860s, and probably before. Most states imposed restrictions on travel in times of war, epidemics and other crises, unless authorised by a 'recognised authority'; the question is, were these passes passports as we know them today. The modern standardised international passport was a booklet only dating from post the Versailles Treaty. See Torpey for a broad review of the issue. RashersTierney (talk) 19:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite

This article appears to have portions in it that were machine translated; for example, "In troubled times, it begins to produce and to travel within the country system "roadways" letters (Russian: проезжих) in order, mainly police.", so I added the tag.Marjaliisa (talk) 05:26, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

-Could a Russian translator fix up this article please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:EA00:105:C02:E4BA:2126:772D:E743 (talk) 03:59, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 3 March 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 18:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

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Russian passport → International Russian passport – I want to create a disambiguation page called "Russian passport" as Russia issues two different types of passports: an internal one, which is issued only inside the country (and thus cannot be issued in the Russian diplomatic missions) and an international one, which can be used to travel outside of Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Keyacom (💬 | 🖊) 13:22, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose The difference is already noted in the lede. Add a Confused hatnote if you want, but a rename is unneccessary. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 14:27, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - Do we really need two pages for this? This page can easily accommodate information about both versions of what is fundamentally the same type of document. PraiseVivec (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Support merging as per this.--Ortizesp (talk) 15:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose merge, they are different documents, much like, for example, Swiss passport and Swiss identity card. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 15:35, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
    • They're both passports.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:44, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
      • Right, but they're not the same. They are distinct documents with distinct purposes. Ukrainian passport and Ukrainian identity card for another example. I'll leave it at that, since this is a move request and not a merge request. 162.208.168.92 (talk) 18:10, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The term "Russian passport" generally refers in the English language to this document. The internal passport is essentially an ID card and entirely different, so oppose any merge. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Colour grades

There should be a distinction in colour contrast based on duration of stay allowed. 90 days darker green, 60 days lighter,30 days further lighter green, and so on. 185.171.17.166 (talk) 16:29, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Albania

Albania suspended visa-free travel for Russian citizens. Russian citizens must apply for a visa at an Albanian embassy. [4] 2A02:6B6E:C3BF:0:28B9:DE11:6E3D:F320 (talk) 19:55, 16 April 2024 (UTC)