Talk:Rose McGowan/Archive 1

Archive 1

Emancipation

Z-Vap, what does the magazine source you cited (Simms, Molly (2006), "In Full Bloom", Bust Magazine, Dec05/Jan06) actually say regarding Rose being "officially emancipated" at age 15? I'm aware she left her parents at that time, but I have not seen any source say she was emancipated. Should you be unable to provide the quote from Bust Magazine, I will restore my revision, stating simply that she left her parents. Thanks. --Monger 00:34, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This was an interview she gave for the magazine. In her own words, she says that she had emancipated herself when she was 15 1/2 years of age. She said it wasn't easy as she had to represent herself, to the court. I myself wasn't sure if she was emancipated, or had just left, and wanted to get some sort of confirmation. I don't know what the official Washington State law is regarding the emancipation of minors, but apparently a minor needs the courts permission. This article settles that. --Joe Christl 03:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. --Monger 19:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

New Picture

I think we should get a new picture of her. The one currently used is her from the Charmed series. Although stunning in its own right, I think the article would be served better if we could get a another one; perhaps a non-charmed pic? --Joe Christl 19:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and added an additional picture of Rose, to differentiate it from the one on the Paige Matthews article. --Joe Christl 18:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I've found a slightly more up-to-date photo of her here: http://www.celebrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/rose-mcgowan-quote-4-3-07.jpg

I'm not certain if it conforms with the licencing requirements though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.183.201 (talk) 01:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Middle name Arianna?

This has been plucked out of nowhere - I thought her middle name was Jane! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.43.89.118 (talk) 11:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC).

I thought so, too. Her middle name was changed by an anonymous editor with no explanation or source given (see edit comparison). If no reliable source is given for this name change I will revert it within a few days, if no one does it before me. --Monger 19:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I left a message on that editor's talk page.All other sites have her name as Rose Jane McGowan.I will edit it,probably by the end of the day. JakeTheBlake 21:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Jake -- contact me and I will confirm the middle name Arianna and the correct birthdate of Sept 5, 1973. Also, I am not french. Voodoochick6 15:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Jake - did Voodoochick6 confirm this? Just curious.

Jake or Monger -- I would be happy to confirm. Some months ago, I received an email from a Wikipedia editor. I don't want to post my email address in a public forum. So how do I hook up with an editor to pass on proof? You guys don't have an email to use either. Voodoochick6 02:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Rose confirmed that her middle name is Arianna in an interview at the following link:

http://www.rose-mcgowan.com/information/qa0711.php

ThreeOfCups (talk) 01:54, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Image: Grindhouse Vs Comic Con

Searching google reveals that the image in article is most likely taken at Comic Con (note green dress). At the Grindhouse premiere she was wearing a red dress. magnius (talk) 21:31, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Norman Tebbit

Norman Tebbit's response to her remarks on the IRA should be added to the article. Despite being a bit of an old fogey now, he was an important figure in British politics at one time, and served in the cabinet when the IRA were still killing people. Tebbit's own wife was left permanently paralysed by an IRA attack at a Conservative Party conference. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1684400.ece —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.11.35 (talk) 11:45, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The IRA ARE still killing people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.121.151.174 (talk) 20:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Should be included, but at the same time so should views from the other side (which i am sure exist). Despite their evil the IRA are no worse than their counter-parts (in fact perhaps slightly less evil considering they were not following orders from a legitimate government / and yes i am talking about the British army) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.211.99 (talk) 00:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Get a life! The IRA and Sinn Fein the political wing have done more good in the last 10 than Mr Norman Tebbit lover has ever done. Ever heard of UVF or UDA or the British government. Take a quick history lesson before you comment on things you have no idea about. Rose McGowan is entitled to her informed opinion. Annie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.69.198.27 (talk) 07:34, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure McGowan are entitled to such opinions? It is my impression that Kari Skogland*s $40.000 are entitled to McGowans opinions. I would grant it to McGowan that she is well payed, and that was just her mouth.

Disputed

The Birth Date issue below is currently disputed.

Birth date

Close examination of the "about rose" page at rosemcgowanonline.com [1] will show that it states in (her own?) handwriting her birth year is 1975, "(According to some)" This is probably a reference to that fact that it conflicts with the IMDB. Personal interviews mentioning her age correspond to the RMO site. -- Osprey

Oh, I thought IMDb were right :-( But why is there "1973" on the following page: http://www.rosemcgowanonline.com/aboutrose/biography.php

And: If 1975 really is true, the category Born 1973 has to be changed to 1975, too.

RoseMcGowanOnline.com is an unofficial fansite. The birthdate there is most definitely not in her own handwriting. It is a computer font. --Monger 18:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Did not see that page before. I stand corrected. Osprey 19:10, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)

She was defiantly born in '73. The is no way she was only 20 in the Doom Generation.

This could drive anyone crazy. Take a look at this collection of interviews [2] - some of them say 1973, some 1975, and some even hint at 1974! Short of getting a birth certificate, I don't know how we can confirm this one for sure. JackO'Lantern 04:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'll settle on 1974. Yahoo movies is almost never wrong [3], and they say it's 1974. I can see how that middle date would've led to confusion resulting in the other two dates (75 and 73) being used by many sources. JackO'Lantern 05:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I have restored the birthdate of 1973-09-05, until you can provide something a little more substantial than faith in Yahoo Movies. Unfortunately the internet is full of bogus and contradictory information about McGowan. As noted, magazines, IMDb, Yahoo Movies, the RoseMcGowanOnline.com fansite and other sources list varying birthdates. Unless you can produce an interview where she states her birthdate, I think it should stay as is. See also the photo of her as a young toddler at http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Rose_McGowan that is dated Spring 1974. That photo was provided to myself and the other editors of xFamily.org by the individual identified as Samech Figtree in this labelled version. More information about the photo is available in the caption here.

I have also removed the mention of her family still being in the Children of God cult until she was 15, as although that information appears in several magazines I believe it to be spurious and I have not seen her personally state it in any interviews. --Monger 18:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Problem is, I went over the group of interviews here [4] (and they date back from 1995) and it drove me crazy because some interviews said 1973, some said 1974, and some said 1975. For instance - This one, dated April 2004, calls her a "28 year old" [5] - indicate 1975. This January 2003 interview calls her a "29 year old" [6] - i.e. indicating 1973. This one stays "September 5, 1975" [7]. This one says 1973 [8]. This one says she filmed "Doom Generation" while 20 years old [9], i.e. either 1974 or 1975. And these are just the recent interviews - if you go through the 1990s ones it is basically the same situation. Honestly, I think we should just not list a definite date since there is obviously something odd going on here. JackO'Lantern 20:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm well aware of the contradictory information in magazines, etc. However, I have never seen an interview where she gave her date of birth in her own words (I don't believe she does so in any of the articles you linked to). As far as I can tell, those dates and ages are speculative or based on incorrect resources. IMO it's quite likely that Rose herself has been involved with the misinformation about her age to some degree. The closest thing to "proof" of age I've seen is the photo I've linked to above which was taken by a former Children of God member who lived with her and her parents in Italy and claimed the photo was taken in the Spring of 1974. In the photo, Rose is clearly at least several months old. As an editor and administrator of the xFamily.org wiki on the Children of God cult, I have been in contact with this individual, and can vouch for the photo's authenticity (edit: but not specifically for the date). Remove Rose's date of birth (September 5, 1973) if you must, but I am fairly convinced it is accurate, or at least closer than any of the other suggested dates. --Monger 21:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, we can leave it as 1973 for now. I'll try and see if I can find something in her own words. JackO'Lantern 21:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good. I don't know why this is, but there seems to be more bogus information about Rose McGowan online and in print than with many other celebrities. I'm generally very skeptical about anything written about her unless she's said it herself in an interview (I've read a fair number of them). I've seen a few cases where she contradicts herself from one interview to the next, but this is much less common and usually about minor issues. --Monger 22:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Odd. I would place the blame on McGowan herself here, I have to say. JackO'Lantern 00:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

I have been a fan of Rose for ten years now, and I can completely say, without a doubt, that she was born in 1975. If you watch, or read a transcript from her Feb 1999 appearence on Howard Stern, she states "I'm 23..." when Stern asks her age.[10] This again, is from Feb '99 when she appeared on the talk show promoting "Jawbreaker". Being that it was still only February, Rose would not yet be 24 until September, since she was born in 1975.--Hurley86 20:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. This is the best information yet to confirm her birth date. I went and changed the other date reference near the bottom. We can leave the {{dubious}} tag there as other people may disagree, and that will lead them here. Too bad the transcript link you referenced doesn't carry a show date as well. --Joe Christl 00:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Again, thanks. I have read that transcript before, but had not recalled her stating her age. (It would be nice, however, to have an official transcript, as the one on that site is riddled with typos and other transcription errors.) I do think though that we should keep the {{dubious}} tag in place next to her date of birth in the article, as although I know of no other article where she states her age in her own words, many others who have interviewed her have given her year of birth as 1973 or, occasionally, 1974. --Monger 00:21, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

On a fansite of hers there is a photo of her in 1975, she's a toddler in it. Weird thing is, she looks about 5 in it, so maybe even 1973 is too late a birthdate. But 1975 is definetly incorrect. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.230.170.211 (talk • contribs) 19:06, August 3, 2006.

That photo could very easily been marked incorrect. Like I said before, Rose HERSELF, has stated in a 1999 interview that she was 23, and since the interview was taken in February and her birthday is in September, it would make the birthyear 1975. You can't be anymore correct than hearing it from Rose herself.--69.142.14.136 19:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

On http://www.rosemcgowanonline.com there is an interview in the 1997 section where she's stats on October 17, 1997 she is 23 years old. http://www.rosemcgowanonline.com/press/1997/114/ "Didn't it seem strange that there were all these high-school students in Scream and none of the actors who played them were teenagers? You all looked so much older? "But I was one once. I remember. I'm only 23 now. If you have a problem with me playing a teenager, go watch Beverly Hills 90210. They're all like 45. That's why Tori Spelling has all that plastic surgery." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.113.37.43 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 30 August 2006.

There you go, direct evidence that Rose McGowan has to some degree been involved in spreading the varying birthdates. We now have two different interviews where Rose McGowan, in her own words, gives ages that directly imply different birth years. I am now in favor of restoring her year of birth as 1973, given its greater prevalance in generally respectable materials and sources. Clearly, the {{disputed}} disclaimer seems needed regardless of which year we go with, but can someone present a decent argument as to which year should be shown in the article? --Monger 23:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I am in favor of utilizing the '73 date, as well. I'll take the liberty of doing it. Too bad someone couldn't just contact her agent, and ask. I mean, they could simply direct them to this discussion and it would be settled. Any takers  :) --Joe Christl 23:44, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate - Announcements

I don't know if this solves anything, but all the "born today" announcements for McGowan say she is 32. [11] Mad Jack 16:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Anyone care to comment on the whole "32" thing? Mad Jack 22:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

It has already been established that the media regularly claims different birth years for McGowan. I don't think this adds any new information. McGowan herself, during different interviews, has claimed to have been born both in 1973 and 1975 (see previous discussion on the subject). --Monger 00:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

You should all know by now that Rose is a liar. I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth anymore.Care bear 10:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

A little uncalled for, don't you think? These aren't the social pages, but an encyclopedia. BTW, thousands of women have lied about their age - she's no different. Joe Christl 14:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

more Birthdate - Holly

It has been established by Holly Marie Combs in more than one interview that she thinks it funny that she was the middle sister in "Charmed" (and became the eldest sister when Doherty left the series), but was in fact the youngest of the four actresses portraying a Charmed one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.216.0.11 (talk • contribs) 18:58, September 7, 2006.

Well that would go to Rose being born on '73. --Joe Christl 14:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

If her birth year can't be confirmed listing any year really goes against the principles of an accurate encyclopedia. Users can read the discussion section if there are interested in our guesses. 68.190.48.20 05:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe someone could ask the question (politely) on Twitter. This won't be of any use, but I'm sure I read somewhere that her birthdate is uncertain due to a lack of any official birth certificate (although you'd think her mother would remember what year she was born :P) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.237.62 (talk) 20:54, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Fester's Death

Would someone PLEASE stop deleting the bit about Fester dying? It was cited and it's true...it was on TV on Dogs 101 in an episode that featured Rose.

Someone else on this page has taken his liberty to say "get real", well so should you. Fester was a dog (and I was thinking it was someone on death row) that died of a brain tumour. Not say, a terrorist victim of ETA. If Fester was a Spanish bull, that would be entertaining. Someone also has the habit of making $40.000 disappear, and that is not cool.

I think Fester's death should be included in the article as its now no longer accurate, and Bug has also now died. The only Boston Terrier she has now is called Happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.237.62 (talk) 21:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

The Introduction

says that she had the lead role in Scream. This is not true as Neve Campbell had the lead role. Rose McGowan had a supporting role.Oliver9184 (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I have fixed this now. Oliver9184 (talk) 13:55, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I would argue that Rose McGowan is more widely known as her character from Scream, rather than Charmed, which came later. I think Scream is what put her on the map, with her unforgettable looks and witty personality. LaurieW 165.134.208.128 (talk) 19:38, 24 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.134.208.128 (talk) 19:19, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Controversey section

I removed some material about something the subject said recently. Have no idea what the deal is but maybe if this is some huge deal, and is widely covered, revisit it in a few months. --Malerooster (talk) 00:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Writer? And the release Dates of her last two movies?

She's listed as a writer for "Dawn", but stated that she didn't participate in the process. Could someone change it? Here she says how the writers saved her with their script

Also the article states that "The Tell-Tale-Heart" and "Rise of the Lonestar Ranger" were released in 2014 when they were not. There is no new release date to put in either, so maybe someone could correct it. And I guess that the whole article would be less chaotic if her directorial work is put into another paragraph.

Rose is also a known activist for IPF, a fatal lung desease because her father died from it in 2008. She has made many TV appearances for it in the last few years and tried to bring attention to it. Coalition for IPF — Preceding unsigned comment added by SilverScreen43 (talk • contribs) 16:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Italian

she isn't in the natives of Florence and in the natives of Tuscany lists... and I readm I don't know where, her father now is italian citizen... by law she is italian citizen, but I don't know if she is enlisted as italian...

Is there a reliable source that describes her as Italian out there? See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) - only nationality is supposed to go in the header, and almost everything on her describes her as "American". The Italian thing appears to be an accident of birth Mad Jack 06:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

if Mr. McGowan now is italian citizen, Rose is also italian citizen because daughter of an italian ctizen, while she isn't italian for birthpace because in Italy there isn't ius soli... so the quetion is: Mr McGowan is really also italian citizen?213.140.17.100 21:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Rose McGowan's parents are both Americans and she too has spent much of her adult life in the United States. This is likely why she is often regarded as an American. McGowan's father Daniel (an American of Irish lineage) had several art contacts in Italy and ultimately relocated there with his young wife Terri, whom is believed to have forebears in France. The two became members of the Children of God and remained in Florence, later giving birth to Rose. They did not return to the US for some time.

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Rose McGowan is suppose to be of french descent so no she is not italian i mean just look at her she is pale white. If she was italian she would be like alyssa milano's color. Naturaly tan. people think before you type please! :) --Alexusbolden (talk) 05:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

That is the dumbest thing i have read on Wiki in a while. 1)Mario Balotelli is considered Italian, and yet is way darker than the tan you refer to. 2) The tan colour you refer to is mainly a characteristic of southern Italians. Northern Italians tend to be fairer/paler. 3) There are a fair few Southern Italians who are pale, with blond or even red hair. It is a result of the period several centuries ago when Sicily was ruled by the Danish throne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.168.148 (talk) 23:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

• • You're being a little naive here. Mario Balotelli's nationality is Italian. He is obviously of African heritage, so is Africa-Italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.203.210 (talk) 00:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

He is African-Italian if you are American (like the various "Irish" and "Italian"-Americans). If you are Italian (and not a racist) he is Italian. He has decided to be Italian, and has Italian documents. However the point was ruling out that she could be Italian because she is pale is a load of nonsense, considering there are Italians of all hues and colours. Hell I'm almost as pale as she is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.34.193.177 (talk) 08:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Mario Balotelli is not a native-italian. Saying he is, when he is obviously of African heritage is like saying a white american born in america is a 100% native american aswell, since he is born in america...Also a white person born in the Congo doesnt qualify him to say he is 100% Congonese and part of the native population there...That line of reasoning doesnt hold water anywhere. 2602:306:BDEC:DD20:C8F5:4BC9:458A:B58 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:09, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

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Rape allegations

Is it appropriate to put the serious allegations of rape under 'controversy'? This might seem a little belittling. —The preceding unsigned comment added by IP user.

Yes, it is appropriate. The allegations are serious but unsubstantiated, originating in a tweet by Ms. McGowan. No WP:RS has suggested that she formally reported this assault to police or filed a civil lawsuit against the assailant. In the interests of WP:DUE, we must wait and see what transpires before moving this to a standalone section. KalHolmann (talk) 20:16, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Injuries and Car Accident

The article says that McGowan's arm injury was a result of her car accident. The citation, however, does not support that. Her recent comments suggest that it may have been a separate incident (i.e., that she was assaulted by Harvey Weinstein). TheSparrower (talk) 14:49, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Today's edit

Personal-life claims need exceptionally strict citing, per WP:BLP. We cannot make personal-life claims based on some unlinked, vaguely dated, supposed Howard Stern interview she may have given sometime in 2001. I found WP:RS citing for her birth date and birthplace, and removed claims about French/Irish ancestry, of which there is not one word in the cited source, People. --Tenebrae (talk) 23:30, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Childhood in weird cult

The article glosses over this quite nonchalantly, but McGowan despite having quite a strong Irish Catholic sounding name was brought up in a weird hippie/Evangelical cult (Family International) originating from California. The article doesn't mention what her parents, who are American citizens, were doing in Italy and what role they actually played in what was then known as the "Children of God" cult itself. Were they influential players, or just rank and file? We should expand on this. Claíomh Solais (talk) 23:30, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Should the "Harvey Weinstein rape and sexual harassment allegations" be edited?

The second half of the 3rd paragraph does not appear to have anything to do with Rose McGowan. The section started with "Through his lawyer..." to the end of the paragraph appears to be just about Weinstein, the New York Times, and the law firm Boies, Schiller & Flexner. RedRamage (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

later endeavors

The article was previously written from the perspective of an actress: the career section focuses on the acting career, with everything else shunted to other headers. For most acting subjects, this is fine. For a multi-talent like McGowan however, it comes across as inflexible. If someone could integrate these other sections into her career, her efforts within music and directing, for instance, it would increase article quality. And it's hardly appropriate to discuss the Weinstein scandal as a separate "controversy" when it so obviously influences and shapes her entire career. Most importantly: add more detail about her career in current years (2017 and 2018) to the actual career chapter. Regards CapnZapp (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Indiction

I understand why the first attempt to put information about the cocaine indictment was removed (the edits made questionable assertions that could make the article appear subjective), but why was the second cocaine edit (the one that just plainly stated that McGowan was indicted, based on a CNN source) undone? May the editor behind these revisions be wanting to wait for more information before we add this information to the article, or is there another reason for this? --Thenewguy34 (talk) 15:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

First, thank you for talking this to talk. Second, I may be wrong but does "indiction" mean guilty as charged? Third, do we generally find this kind of misstep encyclopedic? I reverted the edit because I was unsure, and because BLP tells us to exercise caution. Ideally, a more knowledgable editor will come by and set us straight. Thank you CapnZapp (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Our own Wikipedia page on indictment states that indictment is a "is a formal accusation that a person has committed a crime"; in other words, McGowan is not proven guilty but authorities have reason to believe she has committed a crime. --Thenewguy34 (talk) 18:46, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

I made the latest adition. Indicted means formally accused by a legally constituted judicial authority. This charges has been laid by a grand jury and the case is scheduled to go to trial in Jan 2019. Details below. McGowan is well known and Wikipedia policy is to allow the inclusion of allegations for such people.i.e. "WP:BLPCRIME This section (WP:BLPCRIME) applies to individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by WP:WELLKNOWN. For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. AND "WP:PUBLICFIGURE WP:WELLKNOWN In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it." The implication is that unproven allegations and criminal charges prior to conviction against well known people may be included.

Indiction details

Loudoun County Circuit - Criminal Division http://ewsocis1.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.jsp — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontel (talk • contribs) 09:38, 9 July 2018 (UTC) Case Details Case Number: CR00032372-00 Filed: 05/29/2018 Commenced by: Indictment Locality: COMMONWEALTH OF VA Defendant: MCGOWAN, ROSE ARIANNA Sex: Female Race: White Caucasian (Non-Hispanic) DOB: 09/05/**** Address: ENCINO, CA 91436 Charge: POSS.OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE Code Section: 18.2-250 Charge Type: Felony Class: 5 Offense Date: 01/20/2017 Arrest Date: 11/14/2017 Hearings Date Time Type Room Plea Duration Jury Result 1 06/04/2018 9:00AM To Be Set 2A Granted 2 06/11/2018 9:00AM Grand Jury 2C True Bill 3 06/12/2018 9:00AM To Be Set 2C Set For Trial 4 07/09/2018 9:00AM To Be Set 2C 5 08/13/2018 9:00AM Review 6 01/15/2019 9:00AM Jury Trial 2 Day(s) 7 01/16/2019 9:00AM Jury Trial

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontel (talk • contribs) 12:12, 8 July 2018 (UTC) Jontel (talk) 07:09, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

McGowan is certainly WELLKNOWN, and yes, that means mere allegations are not automatically to be removed. However, it does not mean information of this nature should be automatically included either. I consider this indiction in itself not noteworthy of inclusion. Let us reevaluate when we hear the verdict. If we're going to quote policy, how about:

Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid

Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 10:17, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

PS. The actual indiction details are a primary source (a court document), usually not suitable for use by Wikipedia - see WP:PRIMARYCARE for details.

Archiving

I will shortly add automatic archiving of this talk page. Regards CapnZapp (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

 DoneCapnZapp (talk) 10:25, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

£ 20.000

So what is the point of doing an honest job if you can sue an entire filmteam? Perhaps that money is donated to wikipedia.

Adding comment with proper timestamp for future archiving to work. CapnZapp (talk) 07:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

First News or BBC?

Did First News live up to their name, or did the British get it? Who was first to broadcast McGowan's political standings?

Adding comment with proper timestamp for future archiving to work. CapnZapp (talk) 07:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

spelling correction in intro

Hello In the intro section, (within th etable) for her birth name, it lists her middle name as Aianna, but outside the table, it says Arianna. Can someone please edit the table to also say Arianna? thanks

Adding comment with proper timestamp for future archiving to work. CapnZapp (talk) 07:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

unanomously ?

The interesting word string, "unanomously" appeared in the article, and I deleted it as not having a reliable source for it and being convinced that no such word exists -- though it might be a convenient portmanteau word as a combo of unanimously + anonymously, if you could think of an appropriate context for its use, like when a group of persons does something in complete agreement, but does it secretly, like, "A group of rabid haters all agreed to attack the president unanomously, hiding their identity. (PeacePeace (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2018 (UTC))