Talk:Roch Thériault

Difference with Sevnt-day adventist church.

I've seen here that some seem to think Thériault make the Seventh-day Adventists look bad. I want to make it clear that to the vast majority of people know very well that Thériault's teachings were not the ones of the Seventh-day Adventist Church. We just consider him a effed-up maniac that could have sprung up from any religion. 173.35.38.115 (talk) 04:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Movie

he is a sicko ive seen the movie. and actually thought it was alright, for a horror film of that extent, but when i found out it was based on true events i looked it up and found out ALOT more was true than i expected and that the movie was actually alot calmer than the realness of the whole tragedy. that man is sick. and im glad hes in prison. i hope his followers realize the horror of the whole thing and leave him, i know some of them are still following, which is sad, but you cant change someones beliefs.

--T. Anthony wrote the following on 05:56, 30 August 2005 (UTC): Indeed, one of the creepiest cases I've read of. I saw a bit of Savage Messiah but didn't know what it was about. I think I figured it was a horror film and I don't like horror films. In a way I guess I was correct about it being a horror film, if one based on reality.

I don't understand. The page says that he was active between 1977 and 1989, but the movie was made in 1972. How is that possible? Wopr 00:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The TV movie was made in 2002. The 1972 theatrical movie of the same name is completely unrelated. I've edited the text. -Will Beback 06:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Accuracy dispute

This Roch Theriault's biography have exactly the same lacks than the supposed biographical movie on him, which focus only on the period he lived in Ontario, which represent a very small and negligible fraction of his life. Canadian's Quebec-bashing is alive and well, and apparently they now even appropriate our crackpots.

Roch Theriault grew up as most Quebecers in a rigid catholic environment. He founded a clinic to stop smoking in the 1960s in Beauce region, Quebec. During the flower power movement, he gather a band of followers which he brought in a commune in 1972 at St. Jogues, near Percé, in the Gaspe Peninsula, Quebec. Most of what is happening in the movie occured at that commune betwwen 1972 to early-1980s.

I remember seeing him on CBGAT-TV Matane, a local Gaspe area television, by the end of the 1970s when he became locally known by being show as a kind of sympatic guru, and one day we could saw him around 1978-1979 on local news predicting the end of the world caused by "rain of ice blocks as tall as automobiles".

Interested by that original figure, media brought interest on the sect/commune, which end up to discover the horror of the sect, which flee to Ontario to escape public knowledge by the end of the 1980s.

A serious cleaning is needed here to have an accurate knowledge of him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joatamon (talk • contribs) 17:00, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you suggest some sources that cover this part of the subject's life? Can you add what they say? If so, go for it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 18:55, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

It's true that the Ant Hill Kids were based in Quebec until relocating to Ontario later. (They came around in West Island Montreal selling firewood at some point. I remember the business card.) Hopefully better sources will surface with Roch Thériault's death. AndroidCat (talk) 14:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

There is a significant difference between an article being inaccurate and it being incomplete. I've removed the accuracy dispute reference from this article because the statements contained within appear to be properly sourced as per Wikipedia Guidelines. If a person is concerned about the completeness of the article, or that it omits periods of the subjects life, I would submit that it does not make the article inaccurate and that anyone is free to contribute to the article to make it more complete. Stoick (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Not a good person

I can't believe you are all convinced this man is good. He and his commune were just a dirt and sneaky as the movie depicts, if not worse. This man should never have been granted parole. I can't believe this article is disputed. Ridiculous. I grew up there, I know the kids. It was all true. He controlled all of them. The wives would literally go to the hospital in Lindsay and I quote an employee of the RMH "steal anything that wasn't tied down." Moses, yeah right. If you believe this man was at all well, you're just as weak willed as his "wives." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.231.30.17 (talk) 03:33, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so certain anyone here suggested he was a good person. Perhaps some viewers should reread a few lines of text. If anyone got lost between " Roch Theriault grew up as most Quebecers in a rigid catholic environment." and "Canadian's Quebec-bashing is alive and well, and apparently they now even appropriate our crackpots." and assumed that meant that someone was defending this amazing piece of work (Roch, not the article), perhaps some details were missed. Perhaps I missed something? I think the whole point here is the story is brief and lacks much vivid detail offered in stories of such folks as Charles Manson, even to the extent that I'm sure some people wonder what type of surgery was being alluded to. The bit about the resurrection attempt was well clear enough for my liking, though. As far as comparing his beliefs to the mainstream '7dA' principles, I'm not so sure there's a point comparing the beliefs of an individual who has been described as a loon with the core beliefs of an entire religious faction, unless someone is simply here to bash a specific school of thought. Mayhap polygamy is some theoretical "gateway practice" to torture, murder, molestation et cetera: the same way cannabis "produces violent behavior"? Reference "Why Marijuana is Illegal" from Answers.com for more on that. --shiny666 75.23.65.53 (talk) 02:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

And he's dead.

I've added a few brief details about his death, but kept them vague as the investigation isn't finished yet. If someone knows how, the "recently dead" tag should be added to the article.Observer31 (talk) 03:37, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm building a list of references here so that they can worked in as a group rather than jamming them in one by one. Some have background that could be useful in settling the accuracy dispute. Feel free to add to them. AndroidCat (talk) 05:07, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

• Cherry, Paul (March 1, 2011). "Slain cult leader was 'victim of his past'". The Gazette. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
• Postmedia News (February 28, 2011). "Notorious cult leader found dead in prison". The Gazette. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
• Cornacchia, Cheryl (September 1, 1989). "Town relieved by exit of cult leader Moses". The Gazette. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
• Capon, Alan R. (March 1, 2011). "Retired judge recalls encounter with cult leader". Cnews. Canadian Online Explorer. Retrieved 2011-03-01.
• MacEachern, Barbara-Ann (February 28, 2011). "Former Burnt River cult leader killed in jail". MyKawartha.com. Retrieved 2011-03-02.

FYI: the {recent death} template is only used for articles that attract enormous attention and a hundred edits following the death of a celebrity or major public figure.   Will Beback  talk  05:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Inaccuracies pointed out by my father who was in jail with Theriault when he was killed, how to best go about correcting and citing him?

Like it says, my father was in prison with him at the time of his murder and even witnessed a portion of it. His account of things isn't published, but he did point out a couple of mistakes in the article, if I were to edit the mistake based on his telling how would I cite? Would a link to a public record of his incarceration at the same prison during the same time as Theriault suffice? 108.162.155.206 (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)crazymanraymond@gmail.com

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Requesting Picture of Theriault please

Requesting Picture of Theriault please William duvall (talk) 00:56, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

SDA Church

The cult leader’s beliefs were not based on the Seventh Day Adventist church. That sentence should be removed as it is insulting and slander against Adventists. He was a member of the SDA for a short period of time and was kicked out. None of his cult behavior is reflective of Adventist doctrine. 72.83.238.97 (talk) 17:48, 5 March 2022 (UTC)