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Government
edit@StjepanHR The mayor is Vojko Obersnel, he is the head of government in Rijeka. If you don't understand separation of power, then read about that please. --Tuvixer (talk) 17:13, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
- Just to ask You, where is you source for that? I could ask Mr. Obersnel himself (he is an acquaintance of me), but we need written sources. I have left it undivided until You find the sources. Your and my word are simply hearsay and don't mean anything. StjepanHR (talk) 02:51, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I forgot to add, I have looked into city councils for some other cities (Budapest, Moscow, New York, London and Buenos Aires and Los Angeles). All of them list simply "political groups" without distinction to government or opposition (only on "majority" vs. "minority" of seats in case of New York). I can't see a reason why Rijeka should be different.StjepanHR (talk) 06:46, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Or, we could add a note about Divided government and list SDP and allies under "executive government" and HDZ and other under "legislative government". StjepanHR (talk) 06:49, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Here is my source: https://www.zakon.hr/z/559/Zakon-o-lokalnim-izborima , Now please stop vandalizing this article. I can see your edits are politically motivated, so please stop. You are frustrated because I was right about 2*1komunikacije and now you are going on a spree of edits on this article, and once again you are engaging in an edit war, and you are ignoring the talk page. Please stop this or I will have to report you, and it will look bad for you, having started two edit wars in such short time on different articles and with the same user. Please stop this and let us discuss it on the talk page. So don't change the article until this discussion is over, ok? Thanks
- Also this: https://www.rijeka.hr/en/city-government/mayor/powers-of-mayor/?noredirect=en_GB
- "The mayor is the holder of executive power." "The mayor shall carry out executive activities falling within the self-government scope of activities of the City of Rijeka."
- SDP and its partners are in the government in Rijeka, just for now they don't hold the majority in the legislative body. Read the law please. --Tuvixer (talk) 12:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- You are simply confirming what I wrote,as the source states that the mayor is holder of EXECUTIVE power. There are three branches of government in Croatia (executive, legislative and judicial), so it is only one branch of the government. Executive power is in the hands of the mayor and legislative in the hands of parties oposed to him. It is as classic example of Divided government as it gets. [1] (to cite the same source as you) states that "The City Council is the representative body of the citizens of the City of Rijeka and the local self-government body that adopts acts falling within the scope of the City of Rijeka, and performs other tasks, in accordance with the Constitution, law and the Statute of the City of Rijeka." (in other words, legislative power). And divided government is "A divided government is a type of government in which one party controls the executive branch while another party controls one or both houses of the legislative branch." So, technically both sides are both opposition and government. I don't see any controversies apart from the one You seem to create without any backing. StjepanHR (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- What is the Croatian word for government?--Tuvixer (talk) 13:01, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- You are simply confirming what I wrote,as the source states that the mayor is holder of EXECUTIVE power. There are three branches of government in Croatia (executive, legislative and judicial), so it is only one branch of the government. Executive power is in the hands of the mayor and legislative in the hands of parties oposed to him. It is as classic example of Divided government as it gets. [1] (to cite the same source as you) states that "The City Council is the representative body of the citizens of the City of Rijeka and the local self-government body that adopts acts falling within the scope of the City of Rijeka, and performs other tasks, in accordance with the Constitution, law and the Statute of the City of Rijeka." (in other words, legislative power). And divided government is "A divided government is a type of government in which one party controls the executive branch while another party controls one or both houses of the legislative branch." So, technically both sides are both opposition and government. I don't see any controversies apart from the one You seem to create without any backing. StjepanHR (talk) 12:56, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Can you please answer my question? If you don't, then, please involve other users so we can have a better discussion. Thanks --Tuvixer (talk) 13:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I clicked on Save changes" too early, sorry for the mistake. We should note that in Croatian the word "vlada" usually refers to "izvršna vlast" (or executive power), but see this for meaning in English: [3] . And English wiki page for "government" redirects to "vlast". StjepanHR (talk) 13:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but can you see my point? Government is "Vlada", and SDP is part of "Vlada" in Rijeka, not hdz or am or žz, they are the opposition who happen to, at the moment, be holding the majority in the legislative body. That does not make them the government, hence "Vlada". --Tuvixer (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I could see Your point if this was a Croatian Wikipedia and if the word used was "vlada", but as neither is the case, You simply don't have any sources calling mayor "government". Can't You understand that "the majority in the legislative body" is one branch of government and that the mayor is the other branch. Hence, we should call either both of them government (with references to their respective branches), or leave the infobox without either. StjepanHR (talk) 13:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- No, the legislative body as a whole is the legislative branch of the government. The word government in the infobox is meant as "Vlada" just look the article Croatian Sabor. There can only be one government. You are mixing apples and oranges. Please involve other users. Thanks --Tuvixer (talk) 13:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Please, go to conflict resolution board. Thanks, StjepanHR (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Here is the link: [4] StjepanHR (talk) 14:11, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- No, the legislative body as a whole is the legislative branch of the government. The word government in the infobox is meant as "Vlada" just look the article Croatian Sabor. There can only be one government. You are mixing apples and oranges. Please involve other users. Thanks --Tuvixer (talk) 13:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I could see Your point if this was a Croatian Wikipedia and if the word used was "vlada", but as neither is the case, You simply don't have any sources calling mayor "government". Can't You understand that "the majority in the legislative body" is one branch of government and that the mayor is the other branch. Hence, we should call either both of them government (with references to their respective branches), or leave the infobox without either. StjepanHR (talk) 13:37, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but can you see my point? Government is "Vlada", and SDP is part of "Vlada" in Rijeka, not hdz or am or žz, they are the opposition who happen to, at the moment, be holding the majority in the legislative body. That does not make them the government, hence "Vlada". --Tuvixer (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
- I clicked on Save changes" too early, sorry for the mistake. We should note that in Croatian the word "vlada" usually refers to "izvršna vlast" (or executive power), but see this for meaning in English: [3] . And English wiki page for "government" redirects to "vlast". StjepanHR (talk) 13:08, 21 June 2017 (UTC)