Talk:Richmond Cricket Club (London)

Requested move 25 October 2017

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Richmond Cricket Club (London). The argument of WP:PRECISE is not totally cut and dried, because for most readers Richmond Cricket Club (18th century) would be regarded as a London club too, even if it was technically in Surrey at the time it existed. It does seem like (London) is the best of a bad set of options, though, and has consensus here.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:51, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

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Richmond Cricket Club (1862) → Richmond Cricket Club (Middlesex County Cricket League) Richmond Cricket Club (London) – I think the current title can be improved upon but I'm not sure to what exactly so I'm bringing it to a discussion. The issues with the present title (though I can understand why it was chosen) are that it's probably too close to comfort to the club of the same name in Melbourne which was founded in 1854, and "(1862)" is probably not intuitive for a club that still exists and competes to the present day. I've suggested "(Middlesex County Cricket League)" because it is clear and unambiguous, but it does make the title a bit long and I'm open to other suggestions. Jenks24 (talk) 04:34, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll think about an alternative, but on your proposed name: I don't think the MCCL is going to fold any time soon, but it's only been going since 1972, which is less that 1/3 of time that Richmond has. It depends if we want to describe the club now, or use some form of descriptor that covers its entire life. On a separate point, should the links to the other pages on each of the 3 point to the DAB rather than the individual pages? Spike 'em (talk) 06:47, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, might be easier to just have them say "for other uses, see the dab". Jenks24 (talk) 09:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps, Richmond Cricket Club, Middlesex (which neatly references the historical county and its present league) or Richmond Cricket Club, London (to echo Richmond, London)? Or indeed Richmond Cricket Club (Middlesex) or Richmond Cricket Club (London)? Is there a club in Richmond, Yorkshire?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.205.251.225 (talk)

I'll preface this by saying I am far from an expert on English counties... but my understanding is although Richmond play in the Middlesex league, the club is not actually located in the (historical?) county of Middlesex. It was in Surrey but is now part of Greater London. I was trying to avoid using location because Richmond Cricket Club (18th century) was based in the same area. However, maybe Richmond Cricket Club (London) would work because Richmond was (I think) never considered part of London in the 18th century? Once again I will say that English counties confuse me. Jenks24 (talk) 14:46, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Richmond was previously in Surrey and I think by the time the MCCL came into existence, that the county of Middlesex had ceased to exist (purely from looking on here, that happened in 1965; the league formed in 1972). There is a section on the Richmond website explaining some of this. Middlesex CCC have played games at Richmond, so for cricketing purposes it is considered part of the county. The previous article which had sections on both the old and new club was Richmond CC, Surrey. Spike 'em (talk) 16:52, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

OK, clearly my suggestion of Middlesex was misconceived! (I was not aware that parts of one traditional county could be treated as a part of another county for cricketing purposes.) Richmond Cricket Club, Surrey redirects to the disambiguation page at Richmond Cricket Club. So, Richmond Cricket Club, London then?

In answer to the IP above, there are indeed cricket clubs in Elysium and the one in Richmond, North Yorkshire is called Richmondshire Cricket Club. The people of Richmond consider themselves to be a county within (the mythological supreme being)'s Own County and you actually see road signs in the area for Richmondshire, not just Richmond. I've no doubt that will confuse Jenks more than ever but it's true! I'm sure he knows that Yorkshire as a whole is cricket's global centre of excellence and the home of titans like George, Wilfred, Herbert, Len, Fred and Illy (not forgetting Joe and Jonny, of course).

I think the best title for the current club would be Richmond Cricket Club, London. I suppose locals know which county they are in but the situation with Middlesex confuses everyone, not just the Aussies, and Richmond is now generally perceived to be a suburb of London. Jack | ^{talk page} 21:58, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

I'd be happy with that. I was going to go off on a tangent similar to the above about the cricket league: that Richmond has only been part of London for 1/3 of its existence, but Richmond Cricket Club, London is concise, precise and accurate (for the foreseeable future) Spike 'em (talk) 11:49, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Using London as the dab works for me then. I'd prefer to use parens for the disambiguation though, ie Richmond Cricket Club (London), for consistency with how we've dab'd other cricket club articles though. Jenks24 (talk) 15:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you should use parens per MOS. Looks like that's sorted, then? Jack | ^{talk page} 15:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

• Support for Richmond Cricket Club (London), per the above and our naming conventions for teams (example). Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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