Talk:Reem Al Hashimy

Brazen puffery

The editor 'TA90901' (an account created in June 2021 and largely devoted to adding massive amounts of minutiae and puffery to UAE-related articles) added three paragraphs of text to this article that effectively boils down to "Al Hashimi attended two meetings and read a statement on Zoom." This is unencyclopedic garbage that should never have been added to the article in the first place. I subsequently reverted the content.[1] Unsurprisingly, the editor 'Gorebath', who has never edited this page before, swooped in to restore all the content, claiming that it was WP:DUE that a minister participated in two meetings and read a statement. This content should be reverted. Wikipedia articles are not puff pieces and gloried CVs. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

"three paragraphs of text to this article that effectively boils down to "Al Hashimi attended two meetings and read a statement on Zoom." This is unencyclopedic garbage that should never have been added to the article in the first place"

The meetings are not a sidelined coffee meeting between friends.

• The first meeting: officials from Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates were meeting in Athens with the foreign ministers of Greece, Cyprus and Egypt to counter tension with regional rival Turkey is a notable event, and is WP:DUE and covered by multiple news sources regarding UAE-Turkey relations.
• The second meeting, the High-level Humanitarian Event on Anticipatory Action: A Commitment to Act Ahead of Crises’, convened by the UK, Germany and the UN Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) is another notable event.
• The United Arab Emirates, an active particpiant to the Saudi-led intervention in Yemen pledging to pay $2.4 billion to curb the spread of coronavirus is another notable event. This is not CV-esque or a puff piece or glorified information. Where is the "puffery"? This is all encyclopedic content and covered by news sources. Gorebath (talk) 01:36, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

These are not the Yalta Conference. These are run-of-the-mill meetings and conferences that ministers attend all the time. Wikipedia articles are not a directory of every meeting that every minister has attended – readers interested in that can go to the relevant ministry website for that. The first one says nothing substantive about her role or actions at the conference (her name is literally just mentioned in the caption of a photo), the second is a statement by her that says that the UAE will help people in crises (incredibly unencyclopedic content), and the third one is about how her child walked in on her during a Zoom session (again, incredibly unencyclopedic content). None of this encyclopedic. This is padding out a CV. This is the kind of content that gets uncontroversially removed from politician pages that were usually written by COI accounts, yet when it happens on UAE-related pages, there are always editors who for some reason pop up to restore the brazen unencyclopedic puffery. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 01:58, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

The fact that these conferences are international and noted in the news are notable enough

• "The first one says nothing substantive about her role or actions at the conference (her name is literally just mentioned in the caption of a photo)"

Her physical presentation and representation of UAE's alliance with Greece against the backdrop of Turkey rivalry is notable enough.

• "the second is a statement by her that says that the UAE will help people in crises (incredibly unencyclopedic content)"

This would be true if that is what was added to the article, what was added was her presence, and by extension the country UAE, in pledging in being part of the other 75 governments to pledge the push for the practice of providing financing and aid activities based on risk triggers to mitigate the effects of a disaster before it hits. This is as notable as countries pledging net carbon zero during the Paris Agreement .

• "the third one is about how her child walked in on her during a Zoom session (again, incredibly unencyclopedic content)"

That is not what was added to the article. What was added was her presentation about pledging $2.4 billion to curb the spread of corona-virus in Yemen, a country which the United Arab Emirates has a huge military involvement in. Politicians who go on record to state something are notable enough when they're pledging a contribution. Gorebath (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Being present at a conference or making a statement is a run-of-the-mill duty of a minister. Nothing about her involvement in these meetings is notable, which is precisely why the AP News source does not say anything substantive about her presence at the first conference, why a UAE news outlet steno-graphed that she pledged in the second conference to "help people in crisis", and why a UAE news outlet focused on how her child walked in on her while she was on Zoom. This does not belong in an encyclopedia and would be uncontroversially scrubbed from the articles on ministers and politicians from non-UAE countries, yet there are always editors in articles related to the Gulf countries who add this kind of puffery and help each other to restore it. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:03, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

• "Being present at a conference or making a statement is a run-of-the-mill duty of a minister. Nothing about her involvement in these meetings is notable"

Are you also going to claim that being the president of a country such as the United States and stating American citizens first is not notable as it is the "run-of-the-mill" job of the president?

• "which is precisely why the AP News source does not say anything substantive about her presence at the first conference, why a UAE news outlet steno-graphed that she pledged in the second conference to "help people in crisis", and why a UAE news outlet focused on how her child walked in on her while she was on Zoom"

Why you'd expect an American based news headquartered in New York City to curtail every detail or statement of another small country's minister is beyond me.

• "there are always editors in articles related to the Gulf countries who add this kind of puffery and help each other to restore it."

Classic ad hominem, maybe put some convincing arguments instead of of accusing me on collaborating with another editor. Please learn to comment on content without commenting on the contributor or someone who doesn't agree with your point of views. Thanks. Gorebath (talk) 03:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

You're arguing that Make America Great Again (the campaign slogan and shorthand for President Donald Trump's presidential campaign, ideology and movement) is the equivalent to a minister saying "we should help people" at a conference where every other minister also happened to say something along the lines of "we should help people"? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 03:53, 14 November 2021 (UTC)