Talk:Rajeev Misra

1 November 2023 Edit Request

Hi, I have a conflict of interest and on behalf of SoftBank Vision Fund would like to request the following changes to this article:

1. Can Occupation in the Infobox and throughout the article be changed from Banker to Investor for accuracy.

2. In Early life and education can the final sentence be changed to:

Misra is a board member of both the University of Pennsylvania and MIT Sloan and is on the Board of Trustees of Kaust.

3. In the second paragraph of the Career section, can the following be removed as this is a 15 year old estimate which was not confirmed by the Der Spiegel source quoted in the Reuters source:

and was reportedly earning between 10 and 15 million euros a year.

4. Can the following update be added to the second paragraph of the Career section:

Misra held numerous senior leadership roles at SoftBank Group Corp. and its affiliates, including serving as executive vice president of SoftBank Group Corp. In 2017, Misra supported Masayoshi Son in launching the SoftBank Vision Fund, which at $98 Billion was the largest technology investment fund ever raised. SoftBank Investment Advisers was established as the investment manager for the Vision Fund, with Misra as CEO. In 2019, SoftBank launched a successor fund, Vision Fund 2.

5. Can the third paragraph of the Career section be removed? The allegations were attributed to unnamed sources speaking on condition of anonymity which does not seem right in an article where the BLP policy applies.

6. Can the final paragraph be amended as per the below:

In July 2022, he stepped back from his executive roles at SoftBank Group to start his own venture fund,  Misra set up a new investment platform, One Investment Management, in parallel to his continued commitments for SoftBank Investment Advisers, as reported by various news agencies. He OneIM has secured over $6 billion, including from Middle East investors.

Thank you in advance for your help! Manelila (talk) 17:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Reply 1-NOV-2023

  Edit request partially implemented  

1. Y The |occupation=Investor parameter was activated in the infobox.
2. N The Early life and education sentence could not be added because the University of Pennsylvania, MIT Sloan, and Kaust do not contain their requisite Wikilinks.
3. N The claim statement and was reportedly earning between 10 and 15 million euros a year was not removed because it wasnt clear which reference in the proposal is the one accompanying the text-to-be-deleted. Firstly, that reference was not placed next to the text which it references; rather, two sources were placed along with the COI editor's own confusing text issuing the request can the following be removed as this is a 15 year old estimate which was not confirmed by the Der Spiegel source[2] quoted in the Reuters source[3]. Specifically, the phrase "which was not confirmed by the Der Spiegel source quoted in the Reuters source," as this phrase implies that there may be as many as 2 references (or more) not sources provided.
4. N The addition to the Career section could not be reviewed, because none of the listed companies within the text are Wikilinked.
5. N The third paragraph of the career section could not be removed because it no longer exists within the article.

Regards,  Spintendo  01:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

Thank you for your quick response. In response to your points:

1. Thank you for making this change.

2. University of Pennsylvania and MIT Sloan are already featured in the article, so I am not requesting for their addition. I am only requesting for the addition of KAUST, which I have referenced.

3. The wording accompanying the request for removal of the salary figure is based on the fact that the reference currently being used is a Reuters article, which in turn states that it is referencing Der Spiegel. In that original source, which is 15 years old, an estimate salary is used. The source of this remains unconfirmed, meaning that it is unknown where they got the figures from.

4. Wikilinks have been added.

5. The third paragraph of the career section does exist, but more specifically is the following: "The Wall Street Journal detailed Misra's alleged attempts to undermine his internal rivals at Softbank, including planting stories, filing shareholder complaints, and using a "honey trap"." As stated, I have requested this for removal because the allegations were attributed to unnamed sources speaking on condition of anonymity which does not seem right in an article where the BLP policy applies.

I hope these responses further clarify the issues raised. Thank you again. Manelila (talk) 16:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

I apologize. My confusion comes from your unusual use of underlined and strikeout fonts. Those fonts are generally not used in edit requests. They are most often used according to the guidelines at WP:REDACT for editors to indicate when text from prior posts that they have placed onto the talk page space have either been added or deleted after it was originally placed. As such, the uses of those fonts are unnecessary in edit requests. Regards,  Spintendo  23:33, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for any confusion, never seen WP:REDACT before but using the underline and strikethrough formatting just seemed like an easy way to identify where material would fit into the existing article. I was going from the directions "Any edit request must be accompanied by a detailed and specific description of what changes need to be made. Clearly indicate which sections or phrases should be replaced or added to, and what they should be replaced with or have added." I found the examples were not very applicable when suggesting changes within sections and sentences without getting really wordy. Wikilinks weren't mentioned at all so again sorry that these were missing the first time. As my other request is very long and would require you to judge what I had changed for yourself it seemed fairer to you to outline it clearly rather than have you cross-reference the changes each time. Hopefully it all makes sense now. Manelila (talk) 19:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Reply 6-NOV-2023

  Edit request partially implemented  

1. Y The claim regarding Kaust was added.
2. N The disputed Der Spiegel sourced-claim was not removed, because the COI editor did not provide a URL of the article so that the reviewer could identify for themselves that the information was incorrect.
3. N The Career section paragraph was not added because 2 out of the 3 references used in that section are paywalled.
4. N The third paragraph of the Career section was not removed, because the COI editor did not include a verbatim description of the text or references to be removed.
5. N The information concerning One Investment Management was not added because the company is not notable in Wikipedia.

References

Regards,  Spintendo  21:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Spintendo, thank you for looking at this request but I think there is a lot that has been missed.

In response to your points:

2. There are indeed URLS in the request – please see the following, which you can also find above as 2 and 3 in the former reference list from the past request.Der Spiegel, which is not used in the article and Reuters, which is.

To clarify, this is the text that as it appears in the Wikipedia article:

He left Deutsche Bank in June 2008, when he was the global head for credit and commodities and was reportedly earning between 10 and 15 million euros a year. He then worked at the London-based TCI Fund for several months.” 

(You'll note the citation is invoked a sentence later in the article itself).

I propose removing the clause "and was reportedly earning between 10 and 15 million euros a year".

This is because the Reuters source invoked makes the claim "German weekly magazine Der Spiegel had reported ahead of publication on Monday it would be be [sic] disadvantageous for Deutsche to lose Misra, whose strengths are innovative financial products and opening up new business areas. The report said he earned between 10 and 15 million euros per annum". However, the Der Spiegel itself notes that this is only an estimate: "geschätzten Jahresgehalt" from “schätzen” meaning estimate, guess.

3. I have used the quote feature on the citation generator to indicate where the FT text confirms the claims made. Please see below, and reconsider adding this to the second paragraph of the Career section:

Misra held numerous senior leadership roles at SoftBank Group Corp. and its affiliates, including serving as executive vice president of SoftBank Group Corp In 2017, Misra supported Masayoshi Son in launching the SoftBank Vision Fund, which at $98 Billion was the largest technology investment fund ever raised. SoftBank Investment Advisers was established as the investment manager for the Vision Fund, with Misra as CEO. In 2019, SoftBank launched a successor fund, Vision Fund 2.

4. The text and the references to be removed are as follows:

The Wall Street Journal detailed Misra's alleged attempts to undermine his internal rivals at Softbank, including planting stories, filing shareholder complaints, and using a "honey trap".

Again, I have requested this for removal because the allegations were attributed to unnamed sources speaking on condition of anonymity which does not seem right in an article where the BLP policy applies. If the statement must stay, can the following be added at the end of the paragraph? "The allegations were strongly denied by Misra and SoftBank itself following an extensive internal investigation". The Wall Street Journal and American Genius both confirm this.

5. I take your point regarding notability, but the current article text does not indicate that Misra still has a role at SoftBank Investment Advisers, and also does not indicate that it is this new fund which has secured $6 billion in funding. I am trying to clarify, not add.

I suggest replacing:

In July 2022, he stepped back from his executive roles at SoftBank Group to start his own venture fund, as reported by various news agencies. He has secured over $6 billion, including from Middle East investors.

With

In July 2022, he stepped back from his executive roles at SoftBank Group to start his own venture fund, continuing in a reduced capacity to oversee Vision Fund 1 at SoftBank Investment Advisers. Misra has secured over $6 billion for the new venture, including from Middle East investors.

I hope these clarifications make sense! Manelila (talk) 18:06, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. If I understand you correctly, your concern is that the sources are making claims that are estimates However, the Der Spiegel itself[4] notes that this is only an estimate: But this is fine to state in the article as long as it makes it clear that the voice is not Wikipedia's. The article section on this information states and was reportedly earning between 10 and 15 million euros a year. the key word here being reportedly. The same goes for the information The Wall Street Journal detailed Misra's alleged attempts to undermine his internal rivals at Softbank, this is also not placed in Wikipedia's voice. The information on One Investment Management is not something I feel should be mentioned in the article unless it has its own article, to act as a guard against it being something that only the subject feels is important enough to mention in the article, rather than organically being mentioned because of the weight of its own importance. Regards,  Spintendo  23:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Spintendo thank you for explaining that, I take your logic on my first two points. Could I still please ask that the following statement is added in the interest of balance?

"The allegations were strongly denied by Misra and SoftBank itself following an extensive internal investigation"

On the final point, you haven't quite understood my request. I already removed the mention of One Investment fund from my request following your original comment. I am trying to make the text already in the article clearer. The current text (see my before and after guide in point 5) can be clarified by adding at the very least the text in bold here: "In July 2022, he stepped back from his executive roles at SoftBank Group to start his own venture fund, continuing in a reduced capacity to oversee Vision Fund 1 at SoftBank Investment Advisers."

Thanks Manelila (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2023 (UTC)