Talk:Raffi

Personal Info

I removed the date that he immegrated to Canada since that date puts it before his birth... If anyone has a real date please enter it. Gordie 19:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

24.82.112.7 I re-entered that he emigrated to Canada in 1958. The info is there, in previous incarnations of the page. cool it was also a very popular song sung by raffi the great it was liked by many people and was admired by many of the citizens.It was heard by many people and the made it popular amongst them so he is a popular guy. He lived in USA for many years.

Nutmeg house

"Raffi ran a Nutmeg house at the University of Toronto up until 1980"

WTF is a "Nutmeg house"? There is a bed and breakfast with this name in Toronto. Any relation? Otherwise, googling "nutmeg house" gets me nowhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.178.36 (talk) 03:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

"Child honouring"?

I'm really not sure what this term is supposed to mean exactly. Perhaps a more clear phrase could be used. BigSciZot 02:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Internets

Anyone going to write about internet popularity?

Raffi re-write

I've spoken to Raffi's representatives about the promotional bio that they had submitted. I've been retained to correct the bio and bring it closer into line with wikipedia's regulations. Just a heads up that I'm working on it and I have proposed the following changes to them:

• Standard bio template sidebar
• Sections on early life, career, etc
• Removal of market-speak and superlatives
• Reinstatement of previous article submissions (trivia, parodies), into the bio
• Sourcing proper copyright permissions for his current portrait. forwarded to OTRS

I plan to put up what I have when I get everything together properly, most likely starting Friday, March 9th. Hopefully this will give us a better "starter" article, and I appreciate any feedback or help from the community.

Avit75 00:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated by Avit75 08:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated by Avit75 22:49, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated by Avit75 23:23, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Updated citations for newspaper article quotes Avit75 00:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Nutmeg House

From the article:

Raffi ran a Nutmeg house at the University of Toronto up until 1980

This is what? Proxy User (talk)

I found it!

Well, the confusion about nutmeg started with some vandalism back in February that nobody caught. He ran a coffee house, and someone, [1], changed "coffee" to "nutmeg," and "Toronto" to "Calcutta," but nobody noticed the nutmeg. Well, I'm gonna go change it. I'm surprised nobody has looked through the diffs yet, aside from myself. Saebjorn! 14:21, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Simpson's Parody

Should someone mention the parody the Simpson's did of him?150.203.110.103 (talk) 15:54, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Citations

This article needs a lot of citations. --82.31.164.172 (talk) 23:30, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Systems Thinker

LOL, really? Deleted. No one vaguely reputable considers the man a "systems thinker" in any definition. He started a philanthropy organization dealing with kids, great, that doesn't make you Hegel or Kant or a thinker in the newer meaning of the word like a Schumacher, or in the sense used in communications, computers and complexity. Guinness4life (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Order of British Canada

What is the Order of British Canada? Does it exist? And if it's not going to happen until 2031, what is this here for? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.90.90.242 (talk) 08:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes the Order of British Columbia exists. Raffi was inducted in 2001 [2] (not 2031). Mathew5000 (talk) 10:52, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

[Canadian NDP Leader, Jack] Layton's last letter recorded as a song by Raffi

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2011/10/27/pol-layton-raffi.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.172.28.89 (talk) 17:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Page title

Hi. Looking at Raffi (disambiguation), it seems to me that the Raffi page title should be used for the Egyptian-Canadian musician since he's the most likely result (principle of least surprise) that users want when searching for "Raffi". The other Raffis can be linked from the disambiguation page. Is there any objection to making this move? --MZMcBride (talk) 23:19, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Since nobody has objected, can an admin please do this page move? It entails:

• moving Raffi to Raffi (disambiguation); and
• moving Raffi (musician) to Raffi.

I think that should do it. --MZMcBride (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Your move of Raffi was reverted by Anthony Appleyard on 28 Dec, claiming it to be "uncontroversial" which is strange as it was a revert. Anyway it suggests there may not be consensus for this move, and further discussion seems warranted. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Pinging Steel1943 too — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 20:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• @MSGJ: I don't recall my involvement with this, but I'm guessing I may have put in a WP:RMTR request for a WP:DABNAME fix based on this page showing up on WP:MDP. However, I think there might be a WP:SURPRISE to some readers if they arrived at the musician's article, so a full 7-day move request for this may be more appropriate. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

• Martin: I think the move was reverted because it was half-done, not because it was contentious. I started to do these page moves myself before running into permissions errors, and the in-between state was in fact wrong. I'm happy to wait another week if people feel that's necessary. I thought the gap between December 22, 2015 and January 3, 2016 was sufficiently large, but I'm in no rush. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:30, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
• Page Raffi (disambig page) has 8 choices. Is this current Raffi dominant among so many and likely to stay so? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:35, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
  • I think so, yes. Raffi Boghosian at 112 hits, Raffi (musician) at 5,711 hits, Raffi Armenian at 261 hits, Raffi Boghosyan at 164 hits, Raffi (novelist) at 452 hits, Raffi Lavie at 113 hits, and Raffi Torres at 2,469 times. (I'm not including Youri Djorkaeff as that seems to be only a middle name.) Given these stats, the only "competitor" for "Raffi" as a search term would be Raffi Torres, but even he is at about half the recent hits. Getting the biography of the musician seems to meet the principle of least surprise. The musician is listed first, above all the others, at the Raffi disambiguation page and has been since May 2006. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
• Perhaps Raffi Cavoukian is the best choice here? His surname seems to be a more intuitive disambiguator than (musician). — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:10, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

  "better known by his mononym Raffi" :-) Adele seems analogous. --MZMcBride (talk) 04:09, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

  At this stage, you're probably best starting a formal RM, I think — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

  WP:RM is an abomination before God. --MZMcBride (talk) 18:39, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 5 January 2016

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The result of the move request was: Move. Consensus is that this is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Cúchullain ^t/c 14:26, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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• Raffi (musician) → Raffi
• Raffi → Raffi (disambiguation)

– see section directly above MZMcBride (talk) 19:01, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose may be notable to parents in Canada. But Google Books shows various many Armenians with the first name Raffi. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support per the section above: the musician Raffi is the only person out of the competing usages who is primary topic among the two people who are known by Raffi as a mononym. The others merely have Raffi as a first name. WP:PTM applies. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:06, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Ivanvector did you not notice on the dab? Armenian's second most famous novelist is also Raffi. Please strike The others merely have Raffi as a first name Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 10:27, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

You're right, thanks for that correction. According to the stats above, the musician Raffi gets more hits than the author Raffi by a factor of more than 10:1. As far as I know we can't tell how many of these hits are from the search engine versus direct links, but regardless it's a compelling statistic that the musician Raffi is the primary topic among the two people who are known by the mononym Raffi. This is better solved with a hatnote: This article is about the musician. For the novelist, see Raffi (novelist). For other people with this name, see Raffi (disambiguation). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:21, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Ivanvector why does Britannica only have Armenia's national novelist and not the Canadian children's musician? In ictu oculi (talk) 19:03, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Beats me, we're not Britannica and we don't follow their rules. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:06, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support. As presented above, the singer gets about twice the page views of Raffi Torres, and none of the others even come close. Additionally, this is only one of two three who use Raffi as a mononym. kennethaw88 • talk 05:42, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Same again: User:kennethaw88 did you not notice Raffi (novelist)? You might want to strike this is only one of two who use Raffi as a mononym. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:58, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

User:kennethaw88 thanks for editing your above post to now read "this is only one of two who use Raffi as a mononym" In ictu oculi (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Actually, it was Raffi Boghosyan that I hadn't noticed. I guess I haven't kept up with the Bulgarian music scene enough lately. kennethaw88 • talk 02:37, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose Considering that there's Raffi (novelist) and Raffi (musician). Étienne Dolet (talk) 10:09, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
• Support as clear WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Raffi". There seem to be three mononym Raffis on the dab page - the musician, the novelist, and the singer. Here are their pageviews for December:

• Raffi (musician): 6,035 views
• Raffi (novelist): 515 views
• Raffi Boghosyan: 166 views

So of the people known as "Raffi", the musician gets 90% of the pageviews. And even if you add in the other articles on people with the first name "Raffi", you get:

• Raffi Boghosian: 134 views
• Raffi Armenian: 289 views
• Raffi Lavie: 139 views
• Raffi Torres: 2,508 views

The musician still gets 62% of the pageviews - much more than all the others combined. A Google Books search confirms that among the subjects of these articles, the musician receives by far the most coverage in reliable sources. Dohn joe (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

This really is nonsense. If a popular children's musician in Canada can't get more than 62% of all views then there's no way there is a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC at all. There comes a point when preferring a trivial bit of entertainment culture becomes North-America-centric rather than contributing to building up a serious encyclopedia. Try http://www.britannica.com/search?query=raffi - result? In ictu oculi (talk) 17:18, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose – ambiguity for its own sake, or for the sake of a popular kids' musician, is not a good thing. Dicklyon (talk) 06:26, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

  Well, but neither is ignoring the fact that 90% of our own readers looking for plain "Raffi" want a particular article. Isn't the idea to get our readers where they want to go as quickly as possible? Right now, around 900 people a month come to the dab page. Wouldn't it be nice to send 800 of them directly to the article they want? Dohn joe (talk) 14:52, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Again that's because entertainment will always outnumber serious subjects. But there's a problem here if a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS on the Talk page of minor and local entertainer displaces a real encyclopedic subject because WP:PRIMARYTOPIC requires long term encyclopedic significance, if it doesn't why not just delete the second part of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and just use hitcounter software to automatically displace all encyclopedic topics with pop-hits? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:59, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Again, please review the Google Books search and compare results for the musician versus results for the novelist. Dohn joe (talk) 19:50, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

in Google Books there is very clearly no primary topic In ictu oculi (talk) 09:12, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

You linked "Raffi was" not "Raffi." The latter search yields many results for the musician. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:53, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

• Support per Dohn Joe. Most readers who search for Raffi are going to be looking for the musician, and we can add a hat note link to the disambiguation page for the benefit of those who are looking for a different Raffi. This seems like a pretty clear cut primary topic to me. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:57, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Can see that WP:LOCALCONSENSUS and demographics (more Canadian editors than Armenians) is going to end up putting a Canadian children's musician known by a common Armenian first name over all other Raffis in world history including Armenia's most famous novelist - the writer is the only subject in real encyclopedias - just to remove "(musician)" from a musician. This is bad day for Wikipedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:36, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

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Just watched CBS sunday morning show segment on Raffi. I do not know how to Wiki but I hope someone ads a few lines here about Raffis influences, most obvious of which would be Pete Seeger. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CC00:E420:380E:6B2E:B448:D9C3 (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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Influences

Pete Seeger,Peter Paul and Mary. <REF> CBS Sunday morning show 1/26/20 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CC00:E420:380E:6B2E:B448:D9C3 (talk) 15:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Works

I don't understand the request for references for the section which consists of his list of works. Many of the works are linked to articles about the works themselves. What more do you need here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 23:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)