Talk:Quba Khanate

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@Kansas Bear:, check seventeenth page[1] again. And that quasi-independent phrase can be deleted since it's unsourced. Shahanshah5 (talk) 11:46, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Shahanshah5:, why don't you check page 17. Notice the number in the top right hand. Your viewer does not show page numbers on the page. Also, "later becoming powerful" is nonsensical term and tells the reader nothing.

• "And that quasi-independent phrase can be deleted since it's unsourced."

Is it? Going from what is written in the article:

• "In 1689, he came to Bashli and took back the hereditary governorship..."

Hmmmm....who was in power over this area in 1689 when this was established? S....a...f...

What means Saf? Shahanshah5 (talk) 06:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

If you knew anything about this time period or place, you would know I was spelling out Safavid, but clearly you don't. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

• "The Khanate achieved quasi-independence after the assassination of Nader Shah in 1747."

Wait quasi-independence? Quasi means...."resembling; seeming; virtual:"...hmmm.

AND, since you can not/will not read your own source, page 2;

• "In 1747 Nadir Shah..[..]..was assassinated in a palace coup..[..]. The circumstances effectively terminated the suzerainty of Persia over Azerbaijan, where local center of power emerged in the form of indigenous principalities, independent or virtually so, inasmuch as some maintained tenuous links to Persia's weak Zand dynasty.[..].. Most of the principalities were orgainzed as khanates, small replicas of the Persian monarchy, including Karabagh, Sheki, Ganja, Baku, Derbent, Kuba, ......"

So, it wasn't established under Safavid suzerainty? It didn't become quasi-independent upon Nader Shah's assassination?

So other editors should just assume that you are cherry-picking information from Swietochowski's book or you haven't read it completely?

Maybe you should find more than one book on this subject, quit editing nonsense into the lead of articles, and try reading for a change. --Kansas Bear (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm curious why you are cherry picking information exclusively from one source. Ignoring facts, even from the source you're using, to promote a particular POV. --Kansas Bear (talk) 07:57, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Why you ask me that wasn't it established under Safavid suzerainty? Shahanshah5 (talk) 06:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Why you don't answer to my question? Shahanshah5 (talk) 13:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

You are curius while you took information about powerfulness of this khanate from the article. Shahanshah5 (talk) 13:01, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Like that makes any sense at all, not. You removed exactly what your own source states! Clearly you do not understand English, when you insist on adding a vague word like "powerful" to the lead supported by some arbitrary comment in a book! Your continued belligerence proves you are not here to build an encyclopedia, but to push your silly POV into articles.

I wasn't enough attentively to notice other citates of my book. Shahanshah5 (talk) 09:38, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

• "I'm curious that how it could be quasi-independent and powerful khanate at the same time."

Try reading a book instead of editing in a language you do not comprehend.

• "Why you don't answer to my question?"

Why don't you stop wasting other editors' time with silly nonsense additions to articles? Why don't you stop removing information, that a source you have in your own possession supports?

And why you revert my edit while you haven't enough time for the talking page? Shahanshah5 (talk) 13:37, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

We are done here, I have explained "quasi-independent" and you have chosen to ignore it, further disruptive editing will be reported. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:31, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

For second thought, the khanate could be powerful as a quasi independent khanate among other quasi independent khanates, maybe this what source means. Shahanshah5 (talk) 09:38, 1 January 2019 (UTC)