Talk:Qinnasrin

Content removal

@NinjaRobotPirate: Could you explain your removal of the content? Everything was sourced, it seems that you block anyone who edits this article ! 190.78.121.44 (talk) 15:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe some day an editor who's not a sock puppet will show up. Wouldn't that be nice? NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Qinnasrin and Chalcis identical OR NOT?

Are Qinnasrin and Chalcis one and the same, or NOT, or MAYBE NOT? You cannot have it both ways, as the lead is currently implying: stating they're identical, and then naming different locations for the two (Hadher and Iss). Very poor editing. Arminden (talk) 08:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: If Chalcis really lies on the west bank of the Queiq River like this article says, we're certainly talking about Al-Eis. It can be seen on Google Maps that the Queiq flows equidistantly between both cities, Al-Hadher by the east and Al-Eis by the west. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 23:44, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

@Eduardogobi: hi. Thanks, but I'm not the one who needs convincing, the article('s user) is. The lead looks contradictory. Users can't be expected to read articles map in hand. If you have a secondary source (I accept your map, but others insist on Wiki rules), then please go ahead and fix what looks like a contradiction. Anyway, your "if" ("If Chalcis really lies on the west bank of the Queiq River") makes me fear that you're no more than guessing, and that's not good enough. I've landed here by chance, so sorry, but I can't do the research. Thanks again and good luck! Arminden (talk) 01:25, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Eduardogobi: I looked again:

"Qinnasrin....originally known as Chalcis-on-Belus ....... Some scholars propose that the ruins of Qinnasrin are located at Al-Hadher to the east of the Queiq River, while Chalcis' location was at...Al-Iss... to the west of the river. Others think that Qinnasrin has always been located at al-Iss from the Hellenistic to the Ayyubid period."

So no, your suggested solution is none yet. The lead states in the first sentence that Qinnasrin = Chalcis. Therefore, there must be only one location. Then the second paragraph starts by proposing two locations, one east of the Queiq River, and one west of the river (I've highlighted the contradictory passages), and ONLY THEN and INDIRECTLY suggests that some think that either they were two cities, or that alternatively the city has moved location at some point. The general result: confusion, lack of sense & logic. The contradictions are real and annoying, and must be sorted out. Arminden (talk) 02:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

@Arminden: You're right. I, like you, have also landed here by chance, and looking up further it seems that my theory is also wrong. This paper by the archaeologists who discovered the city clearly shows on the map at p. 71 that the Qinnasrin they're referring to is located at Al-Hadher (you can compare this map with the aerial footage in Google Maps, even the streets remain the same). Figure 2 at p. 70 seems to differentiate Chalcis from Qinnasrin, as if the first was the original Byzantine city at the western bank (Al-Eis) while the last surged during the Islamic transition at the east bank (Al-Hadher). Again, guessing. ―Eduardogobi (talk) 03:00, 4 September 2021 (UTC)