Talk:Pristina International Airport

General comments

ICAO location indicator for Pristina is LYPR, not BKPR. You may look at ICAO DOC 7910. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.247.204.66 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Both codes are in DOC 7910 -- 129.78.64.106 02:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Why is there a picture of Grenoble Aiport, in lieu of Pristina Airport? --Luke w 20:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

What does this line mean:"domestic flights only - between Belgrade" Belgrade and where?CorkyGilbert 18:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the debate was no move. -- tariqabjotu 23:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC) Priština International Airport → Pristina International Airport — Official name from the official Homepage of Airport: http://www.airportpristina.com Bet 0 21:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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• Support - nominator Bet 0 12:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose Discussion to move Priština to Pristina resulted in no move. Name of this article should conform to the city's one.--Húsönd 04:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

This is an Article about the Airport of Pristina and not about the City of Prishtina. The international name is Pristina International Airport, see the official Homepage of Airport. See also here Belgrade - Nikola Tesla Airport: it is not named with the serbian name for airport Aerodrom Beograd - Nikola Tesla but with the intenational one. --Bet 0 09:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

• Belgrade is under Belgrade, too. Septentrionalis 20:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

• Oppose per Húsönd. - Evv 04:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Oppose per Húsönd. // estavisti 13:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
• Support: it is the OFFICIAL NAME of this Airport, take one look at the homepage before opposing! Also please see the name of the article about the University of Prishtina (also the official name of this university) - it is not named University of Priština. This has nothing to do with the topic: Prishtina or Pristina or Priština! It is simply the official name of this airport. This article is wrong named!--just a happy girl :) 19:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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More on article name

To be honest, I do not see any good reason for not renaming the article in this case. As stated, this is the article on the airport and not on the city, and they can well be different (as is the case for University of Prishtina already). The official website uses "Pristina" or "Prishtina", but never "Priština". IATA does the same, and ICAO only ever speaks of "Pristina" (to check, search their respective websites for various spellings, and look through the results - you won't see a single "š" either way). And the Google test also makes "Pristina" a winner:

• "pristina international airport" -priština -prishtina - 321 hits
• "prishtina international airport" -priština -pristina - 266 hits
• "priština international airport" -pristina -prishtina - 138 hits

Now, before I open another move request - which, in light of the above, seems the most natural thing to do - perhaps those who voted against the move last time can explain their reasons better? -- int19h 07:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for posting the notice in Talk:Priština :-)

I share Húsönd's rational for opposing the move (despite the University of Prishtina precedent, where I just don't dare to tread :-)

As discussed in Talk:Priština, I find that "Pristina" is just a simplified version of "Priština", widely used because of mainly two factors: lack of "š" in English (and most keyboards) and political neutrality. In fact, the very same people who write "Pristina" pronounce the word with the "š/sh" sound. In my personal opinion, and in Húsönd's words, [diacritics are] a more perfectionist and educative way to display [the name].

As for the official website, check the "Welcome to Kosova" section, not to mention the "History" section :-)

1965: Prishtina Airport was officially opened and initially was opened for domestic flights only.

2000: Airport Prishtina initially has begun its operations and other airport matters with 45 employed workers in total.

I can't stress enough that my opinion has nothing to do with taking sides in the current Kosovo conflict (which I would solve by moving the entire population of the Western Balkans to Antarctica, and giving the region to the penguins - who probably will change Priština's official name to something along the lines of Tekeli-li).

Best regards, Evv 13:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

The Award

Whoever added the info on award PRN received, should have also added a source for the fact. Meelosh 16:31, 10 November 2006 (UTC).

guilty. lol. sorry. thanks for the correction JU580 14:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Priština International Airport?

The Airport is known as Prishtina International Airport and not Priština International Airport! This is the name of the aiport and should be changed to the proper name! --Albanau 15:41, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Even the offical website of the airport use the name Prishtina International Airport, no where on the webpage can I found the Serbian translation of aiports name. --Albanau 19:21, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

http://www.airportpristina.com/

I made appropriate annotations in text, including in the definition, and added parenthetically the Prishtina spelling wherever the city was mentioned, except in the history, under 1965, when Serbian spelling was clearly the appropriate. I also altered the description of the external link to truthfully describe it. But short of moving the article about the city to Prishtina, this article may find opposition on grounds that the airport should be under the same spelling. However, my own view, is that the page should be moved to Prishtina International Airport, much like the city itself, reflecting self-appellation in English. --Mareklug ^talk 02:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Belle Air flights to Liege

Belle Air has switched the flights to Liege instead of Liege-Prishtina-Tirana to Liege-Tirana-Prishtina. This implies that there is no direct flight to Liege from Prishtina and passengers have to change at Tirana, which is the same as changing at Vienna for a flight to, say, New York. So, I think the connection to Liege should be removed as a result. Check the following timetable from Belle Air's website [1]:

Liege-Prishtina Flight: LZ982/LZ515

Start: 07/03/2010

End: 31/10/2010

Liege-Tirana Flight: LZ982

Start: 07/03/2010

End: 31/10/2010

If you think this is wrong in any way, please get in touch. Many thanks, Kosovar (talk) 10:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay no problem, I didn't know it had changed suddenly, sorry. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It rests confusing anyway that Belle Air still lists Pristina as one of only two direct airlinks from Pristina, next to a listing as a destination from Pristina via Tirana: see this. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 15:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Belle Air probably still tries to advertise by implication the link to Liege (Belgium) as a direct flight, however the flight's route is Liege-Tirana-Prishtina. PRN is my local airport so I desperately want it to have a direct flight to the capital of Europe, i.e. Brussels, (or at lease Liege in Belgium), however this connection now goes through TIA. Hope this clarifies the issue. Many thanks, Kosovar (talk) 17:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

When I look at the increase in number of flights from Pristina (with Kosovo developing rapidly), I suppose it won't take too much time until there is a direct airlink (let's say I hope so). When I flew from Brussels to Ljubljana with Adria Airways (on my way to Tirana), I met a man from Bruges who was under his way to Pristina via Ljubljana. I guess Brussels-Ljubljana-Pristina (Adria Airways) is one of the most popular routes between Belgium and Kosovo; connections in Ljubljana are good. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 17:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Tafa Air should be removed

I think we should remove Tafa Air from this page as they do not operate any flights at all. They operated a few flights in December 2009 with FlyLAL, however since then they are completely inactive. If and when they start new flights they can be added, however in the meantime it is simply not true that Tafa Air flies to Prishtina International Airport. Any thoughts? Kosovar (talk) 11:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

You seem to be pretty sure, so I suppose we can remove this airline. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 15:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Tafa Air operated a number of flights over the Christmas/New Year period when they were abruptly ceased. They got a lot of bad press because many people were stranded at PRN. Since then they have moved the dates (and destinations) of their recommenced flights to end of January, beginning of February, mid-February, end of February and now mid-March. If they restart their services -- and there is a big if -- we can add them to the page without delay. Many thanks, Kosovar (talk) 17:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for the explanations! You seem to watch aviation in Kosovo rather attentively, which makes you an excellent editor of the article :) Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 22:18, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Just a note to update you that I have removed Tafa Air from this article. That pseudo-airline has no credibility, and has been claiming that it will start flying since the beginning of January. Their latest 'start date' is April 30th. I suggest this airline only be added to the page when it resumes its services, if it ever does. If you disagree then please write back. Thanks, Kosovar (talk) 22:31, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem! I agree that we should only add it when it operates flights really. Greetings, Belgian man (talk) 14:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Article name

Is the "Adem Jashari" really necessary to identify this airport? In sources I have seen it is just referred to as "Pristina International Airport". VQuakr (talk) 08:39, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

That is its official name, according to the airport's own website, although even that site frequently just refers to it as "Pristina International Airport" or even just "Pristina Airport". Compare similarly branded George Best Belfast City Airport and Liverpool John Lennon Airport, commonly referred to as "Belfast City Airport" and "Liverpool Airport" but with their full names used in Wikipedia article titles. I think we should use the full name in the article title, but the common abbreviated name within the article. Bazonka (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the rationale! VQuakr (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Passenger numbers

Do anyone have new numbers for passengers going through the airport ?? Oliwier1111 30.12.2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oliwier1111 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2013

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Pristina International Airport. This was complicated. Everyone who cited naming policy acknowledged that we should drop the tag of Adem Jashari. But how to spell Pri?tina, the controversially named city? With no clear consensus, we'll retain the original spelling for this article, Pristina, which also received solid support in the RM and is consistent with Pristina's current article. (non-admin closure) Red Slash 22:54, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Pristina International Airport Adem Jashari → Prishtina International Airport Adem Jashari – Previously we agreed to use the official spelling of the airport as reflected on its own website which at the time used the s spelling. This now seems to have changed to use the sh spelling. Relisted again see discussion Andrewa (talk) 21:22, 27 September 2013 (UTC) Relisted. BDD (talk) 18:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC) Bazonka (talk) 09:47, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

• Could we move to Prishtina International Airport instead? Most independent sources don't add the tagline. Nobody goes to the travel agent and asks for a return ticket to Adem Jashari. bobrayner (talk) 22:04, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

See the Article Name thread above. I don't massively disagree with you per WP:COMMONNAME, but we should try to maintain some consistency with airport articles. Niš Constantine the Great Airport, Liverpool John Lennon Airport, and George Best Belfast City Airport all use the full offical name. Bazonka (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Consistency with some other articles which don't follow COMMONNAME? I would suggest that some other moves are needed! Some seem to have been moved to such names despite a previous RM favouring the common name, like this mess.

Anyway. There are a lot of other airport articles which don't add the tagline. We quite rightly use Cologne Bonn Airport instead of calling it Adenauer &c. bobrayner (talk) 23:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• Prefer User:Bobrayner's solution. Unless these official bylines are needed for dab purposes, Paris Charles de Gaulle, they don't survive in usage. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:26, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - Pristina, Prishtina... this discussion is violating MOS:RETAIN. Also, I'm sure that "Pristina" is commonly used and accurate. --George Ho (talk) 06:35, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

• Could you explain the MOS:RETAIN connection? The difference between Prishtina and Pristina is nothing to do with varieties of English. bobrayner (talk) 15:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

• Support Prishtina International Airport. First, it's the most concise title to provide all the information needed to find and identify this topic. Second, it reflects the more recent use. - WPGA2345 - ☛ 02:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support an abbreviated name, with a preference for Pristina International Airport for consistency with Pristina. --BDD (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
• Support Priština International Airport. Accurate, as used, concise. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

SmokeyJoe, the š option isn't even on the table here - it is not how Wikipedia generally spells Pristina, nor is it the spelling used by the airport. Bazonka (talk) 08:57, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• The "š" is correct in local usage, and in not using there is indecision as to whether to use "s" or "sh". A compromise, to use the correct letter, is an unusually attractive compomise.

  In early computing, writing endured an ASCII bias that is now diminishing. Diacritic are welcome, although, per WP:DIACRITICS, neither encouraged nor discouraged.

  Ordinary people using keyboards naturally skip diacritics because they are not easily typed. This probably applies to the people owning and running the airport. However, Wikipedia has no difficulty in producing the diacritic, and by using it Wikipedia makes is much easier to for others to choose to use it, without knowing the character code, by simply copying the text.

  Is "Priština International Airport" at all incorrect, or less correct than "Pristina International Airport" or "Prishtina International Airport"?

  Google Maps shows me an image of the airport with an embedded label "Priština International Airport".

  http://www.world-airport-codes.com/kosovo/pristina-international-6057.html titles the airport as "Priština International Airport (PRN)"

  The airport itself has (or had?) a building façade name "PRISTINA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT", see for example, http://www.protamuhendislik.com.tr/uploads/images/projects/pristina_airport/Pristina%20Airport%201.jpg

  I presume that the diacritic is uncommon to use on capital letters?

  I hereby declare the option to be on the table. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

• Pristina International Airport - per BDD, i.e. using the same spelling as the city article. Also (assuming it is correct), conforming to the consensus FkpCascais alludes to below.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

I added the link bellow. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:23, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

• Agreed. WP:MOSKOS supports Pristina. The airport should follow the city name. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:31, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Re-relisting. Please note the decision at Talk:Athens International Airport#Requested move 2. We possibly need to clarify via a guideline, and/or investigate who is behind these undiscussed airport moves.

Please also note that, despite the way the discussion went at #Requested move above, the official name is not automatically chosen as the best name for any Wikipedia article. Most of the time it's not even a major consideration. I don't know how many times this needs to be pointed out. Andrewa (talk) 12:27, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Note

Years ago it was establiished as NPOV to use Pristina as a consensus between the Albanian name Prishtina and Serbian name Priština. WP:COMMONNAME backed it up, as by then most English language sources actually used Pristina instead of Prishtina/Priština. I will try to find that discussion and bring it here. FkpCascais (talk) 14:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Here it is when an Albanian editor called my attention to it here (sorry for the delay, but it was deeply buried in my talk-page archives) and here is the respective MoS: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Kosovo-related articles/Prishtina-Pristina-Priština. FkpCascais (talk) 19:22, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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Copieright

The Copieright of this picture is in my opinion wrong? The User who put the picture dont have the copieright and permission.--Nado158 (talk) 16:52, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Use of this logo does not violate copyright law per: "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under United States copyright law. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos. Use of the logo here does not imply endorsement of the organization by Wikipedia or the Wikimedia Foundation, nor vice versa." IJA (talk) 17:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey, this was an old comment and i didnt mean the picture or logo now. The old logo was removed because i had right. Regards!--Nado158 (talk) 12:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

PIA

We should mentioned that in Serbian the name is not Pristina International Airport Adem Jashari. The Name is without Adem Jashari. Why, i think everybody knows.--Nado158 (talk) 17:35, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Map

A certain user has removed a map without a consensus. Care to explain? IJA (talk) 11:52, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

@IJA: That certain user is me. There's a discussion at WT:AIRPORT that treated the inclusion of destination maps in airport articles. However, the user above seems not to follow the guidelines adopted by WP:AIRPORT. Anyone interested in this and others discussions is welcome to participate at WT:AIRPORT. Thanks.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:28, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Destination_maps (the link to the destinations map discussion). I would advise User:IJA to join in on the discussion there since the discussion has not been archived yet. Citydude1017 (talk) 04:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks CityDude, I've joined the ongoing discussion. I knew there wouldn't be a consensus at WP:AIRPORT. There are no guidelines at WP:AIRPORT re destinations maps either. IJA (talk) 15:33, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

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Requested move 2 August 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Vpab15 (talk) 16:45, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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Pristina International Airport → Pristina International Airport Adem Jashari – The official name of Pristina International Airport is Pristina International Airport Adem Jashari and for confirmation you also have the logo of the airport and the airport's website. This name is also confirmed by Limak Holding, Kosovo Business Registration Agency, the Office of the Prime Minister of Kosovo and Partnerships Kosovo.

References

BalkanianActuality (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

• Support per well-sourced nomination. There are hundreds of airports which have official designations that include a person's name — a glance at Category:Lists of airports by country will confirm such airport names from Afghanistan (Hamid Karzai International Airport) and Algeria (Houari Boumediene Airport) to Zambia (Kenneth Kaunda International Airport) and Zimbabwe (Joshua Mqabuko Nkomo International Airport). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:36, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose. The sources listed by the OP are not reliable secondary sources by which we could see that the longer variant of the name is prominently used in a natural, non-official, context. What has traditionally identified this airport is the name of the city. None of the airport names cited by Roman Spinner contain an identifier apart from an individual's name, and this is why it has to be included. For example, had the "Kenneth Kaunda International Airport" been called the "Luanda International Airport Kenneth Kaunda", we would, for reasons of naturalness, conciseness (and probably to some extent commonness), very likely have had the article titled "Luanda International Airport". When BBC refers to the Pristina airport in a spontaneous context they call it the Pristina International Airport (PIA). — Alalch Emis (talk) 17:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

@Red Slash, Amakuru, Andrewa, BDD, Bazonka, Bobrayner, FkpCascais, George Ho, In ictu oculi, SmokeyJoe, and WPGA2345: I've pinged you as participants in the previous RM (as well as the closer) — Alalch Emis (talk) 18:09, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose. The citing of primary sources proves nothing relevant in terms of our article naming policy. See wp:official names for an explanation of this often-misunderstood aspect of the policy. The fact that the common names of other airports do include a person's name doesn't have any bearing on whether this one does. Andrewa (talk) 18:21, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Support Per the arguments made above. Alach Ermis, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The official name of the airport is Prishtina International Airport "Adem Jashari". Google it and see it for yourself. Sadsadas (talk) 19:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Fascinating... you do realise that the official name is not directly relevant here? Read the article name policy and see for yourself. And next time you might also like to read the many notices that asked you nicely to read the policy before commenting on an RM. Andrewa (talk) 01:35, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:OFFICIALNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:40, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

• Support - I massively disagree with you about WP:COMMONNAME as many airports like Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport, Budapest Ferenc Liszt International Airport, Liverpool John Lennon Airport, Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport, Niš Constantine the Great Airport, etc. Everyone uses their full official name. Krelana (talk) 18:14, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

There's probably a case to be made that at least one of those articles could be titled better. For example, Blic website has a category for the Niš airport related news named Aerodrom Niš (Airport Niš) — Alalch Emis (talk) 16:32, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Alalch Emis, If we are based as you say based on the media, this airport in one has the main media of Kosovo, Telegrafi, all articles about this airport are published in three categories:

1. Aeroporti Ndërkombëtar i Prishtinës "Adem Jashari" (in English: Pristina International Airport "Adem Jashari") — 37 articles
2. Aeroporti Ndërkombëtar "Adem Jashari" (in English: Adem Jashari International Airport) — 16 articles
3. Aeroporti Ndërkombëtar i Prishtinës (in English: Pristina International Airport) — 13 articles

This airport is known as Pristina International Airport Adem Jashari also from the World Travel Awards, awards program which evaluates airports for its prices every year. BalkanianActuality (talk) 21:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

That's really a fair rebuttal, but on a second look at WP:OFFICIALNAME I'm not sure that either my previous comment citing Blic, or your example, have much (any) bearing on this discussion, because when considering sources, we should really start with and end with what the English-language sources say. An English-language source which is often cited on Wikipedia and can be seen as a reliable source, simpleflying.com consistently refers to the Pristina airport as just that: Pristina airport. On the other hand, when mentioning the Niš airport, I mostly encounter instances of that airport's official name. Why is this so? I don't know and it doesn't matter.

Refining my position along these lines, I have struck my last comment as not helpful, and not reflective of my most policy-based thinking. Sorry about the distraction. — Alalch Emis (talk) 19:33, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:CONCISE Red Slash 20:02, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Aviation has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 19:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Kosovo has been notified of this discussion. — Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 19:41, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose Every Wikipedia policy and advice screams No - keep it simple and uncomplicated, keep it to the name most likely to be understood by the majority of ordinary people. Andrewgprout (talk) 03:21, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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