Talk:Prince Joseph Wenzel of Liechtenstein

Title of article

Shouldn't Joseph and his sister and brothers be at Prince Name of Liechtenstein? As Joseph will, for now, one day be The Prince of Liechtenstein, shouldn't we have him listed as we do the grandchildren of other reinging monarchs who will one day be King/Queen (Princess Catharina-Amalia of the Netherlands, Princess Ingrid Alexandra of Norway, Princess Elisabeth of Belgium, and Prince William of Wales)?Prsgoddess187 21:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

==Future Jacobite pretender== Could it be mentioned in the article, that Joseph Wenzel may one day (through his mother), become the Jacobite pretender? GoodDay 18:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

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"Conceptually superior claim to the English throne" - incorrect claim

This can't be right under any recognised English rule of succession. Any claim deriving from Isabel, Countess of Bedford would come after the descendants of Edward III's sons. Both the UK Royal Family and Jacobite claimants descend from Lionel of Antwerp, 1st Duke of Clarence, John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, and Edmund of Langley, 1st Duke of York (Edward's second, third and fourth sons to survive infancy). The idea of elder daughters preceding younger sons only dates from 2015, when the Commonwealth Realms brought the new succession rules into force. These changes a) aren't retrospective (it only affects males born after 28 October 2011) and b) wouldn't be recognised as legitimate by Jacobites, let alone someone who thought this claim was superior (and thus presumably doesn't think there was ever even a personal union until whenever Isabel's descendants' claim married into the Jacobite line). I'd say this should be deleted - see Succession to the Crown Act 2013 for the non-retrospective nature of the UK succession changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7D:B3B6:FF00:826:DFD3:C37F:32B8 (talk) 16:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

The entry now contains Jacobite claims which are highly fanciful, and inappropriate for an entry on someone who is eventual heir to a sovereign state Ncox001 (talk) 08:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

I agree and have reverted the changes made on 20 June 2023 which gives WP:UNDUE prominence to the irrelevance of the Jacobite succession as well as far too much WP:FANCRUFT genealogy. 11:44, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Ancestry table

I have restored the ancestry table removed by GoodDay on the grounds that it is "archaic" (and removed a second time by him without discussion). Modern people have ancestors just as much as people from former times. An ancestry table may not be useful if few ancestors are linked to articles, but in the case of Joseph Wenzel, nine of his fourteen ancestors have Wikipedia articles (both parents, three of four grandparents, four of eight great-grandparents). Noel S McFerran (talk) 21:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

You didn't restore them all. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

I did this to one page, and literally one minute later this is GoodDay's response. I can't restore all within one single minute. But in this case it may not be appropriate to restore ancestry tables to all articles. In the case of some people, they are more useful - when the majority of listed ancestors have Wikipedia articles. Noel S McFerran (talk) 21:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It's alright for you to communicate directly with me. Perhaps an RFC at the appropriate venue, will solve this once & for all. GoodDay (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Please see WP:NOTGENEALOGY. We should not merely dump a dozen names on the reader. Without context, it is useless content. Why does the reader need to know that his mother's father's mother was Maria Franziska Draskovich von Trakostján? Surtsicna (talk) 21:42, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It is okay to be bold in editing. But once a talk discussion has been initiated, editors should engage in that, and not keep deleting content. Noel S McFerran (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It is useful to show that nine of his fourteen ancestors have Wikipedia articles (both parents, three of four grandparents, four of eight great-grandparents). Noel S McFerran

No, it is not. No reader cares about how many ancestors with Wikipedia biographies one has. That is just absurd. Surtsicna (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems a little presumptuous to claim that no reader cares. Personally, I find it interesting, especially if the ancestors also have articles. Piratesswoop (talk) 16:00, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Jacobites

Should there be a mention of the fact that he a member of the Jacobite line of succession? 51.37.98.236 (talk) 09:07, 6 May 2023 (UTC)