Talk:Premam

Dispute in the film revenue

If someone is failing to understand the obvious, I will clarify here. Several sources claim different box office revenues for the film in its first week. This link from Gulf News gives the value as 4.5 crore citing the film's producers. This link from The Hindu puts the value "about 5 crore". Two other sources 1 2, [ both which cite a twitter post by Sreedhar Pillai give value as high as 10.3 crore. Different sources giving different values is what we call a dispute. In such cases out usual policy is to include all the conflicting claims by attributing the claim to each source. Hope it is clear. And regarding the film's reception , none of the sources used suggest that the film received "highly positive reviews" at all. One says the film opened "positive reviews from audiences" and was "unanimously appreciated by critics, audiences as well as those from the industry. If IP addresses go on edit warring without proper discussion, then I warn that I'll have to go for page protection. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 04:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

You need a source for the "highly positive.." statement ? Just look at the reviews in reception section. Every individual reviews can be considered as an attribution. And also you removed the tag () which referred it. 106.66.131.18 (talk) 12:03, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

This Gulfnews This link has edited there statement as citing it to "trade analyst". So there first report was fake news, so now its reliability is compromised. And i think Sreedhar Pillai's reports are the true figures as is a well known reputed analyst and his reports are direct from his hands. But the lower figures reported was from websites and was before the first week was over (see dates) and are old reports, reliability is on new reports. And ofcourse the film was a gigantic hit, we Malayalees are witnesing it. 27.97.23.206 (talk) 10:21, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Infobox

The purpose of infoboxes is to provide a quick and convenient summary of the key facts about the subject. Template:Infobox film clearly mentions what is to be included in the infobox and the guidelines are to be followed in every film articles. In the distributor parameter, only "the company name(s) of the distributor(s) that first released the film" shall be included. And in release date tab, only the most relevant release date(s) of the film has to be included. This film's release date in India only is relevant as overseas release was very limited and is completely irrelevant in the infobox. It has been included in detail in the release section Malayala Sahityam (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

UAE and USA are the "second home" of Malayalees, where the largest population of Malayalees can be seen. So those release dates are completely relevant. And the sources in the release section itself says Premam is the first Malayalam film to have large no. of screens in UAE. And the highest grossing Malayalam film in USA. And the statements you said that is seen in WP:FilmRelease are only "suggestions" to avoid including lengthy list of release dates and distributers in infobox. But in this case it is a small and fair list.--The Ghost Action (talk) 16:59, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm not intending to enter an edit war here. But understand one thing. Wikipedia guidelines are not mere suggestions. They are to be followed in every articles. And any Malayalam film will have its predominant release only im Kerala. Only this date shall be included in the infobox unless the film had a worldwide release on a separate date. Malayala Sahityam (talk) 17:34, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

The "second home" of Malayalees is entirely irrelevant for how Wikipedia treats the infobox data. Template:Infobox film (which, by the way reflects WikiProject Film community consensus) cares about the first release of the film in its origin nation. This is an Indian film, so we care about when it was released in India. If the film was released in another nation before it was released in India, that would be noteworthy, and we would include that date first, then we would include the Indian release date. "Release dates should therefore be restricted to the film's earliest release, whether it was at a film festival, a world premiere, or a public release, and the release date(s) in the country or countries that produced the film, excluding sneak previews or screenings." The instructions do allow for other inclusions if notable, but an example of a notable inclusion would be if the film made a killing in a foreign market, not simply because it was released in another country. Films are released internationally all the time. This isn't news. And the new user Ghost Action doesn't get to make up rules like "that is only a suggestion, main releasing dates and regions can be included if not a too long list." This is completely unsubstantiated and could only be supported through "other stuff exists" arguments, not through community consensus. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:49, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

I am also removing the distributor companies other than the one which distributed the film in India (which is apparently the one that first released the film). Malayala Sahityam (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 July 2015

Rest of Europe distributor INDIENWOOD

Gowarthan (talk) 08:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Already given in the "Release" section.--The Ghost Action (talk) 09:54, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 July 2015

There is a typing error in the second last line in the paragraph labelled "Box Office". Please change the word "completion" to "competition" Pranavjoy (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done - thanks for pointing that out. - Arjayay (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Piracy row

The section piracy row should be expanded, the case was a big controversy in Kerala with great news coverage and is still going on. The leaked film was a censor copy, which was first of its kind. Theatres were shut down for protesting, prints were siezed, editing labs were questioned. New censoring of Malayalam films is stopped. Listing few sources - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50 . Thanks--The Ghost Action (talk) 09:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Plot

In this edit, I've attempted again to clean up the plot section. The content about what grade everyone was in was only muddling up the plot: "It is revealed later that Celine, was the young girl who accompanied along with Mary on her way to home, a 3rd standard student during George's Plus Two days." She was the young girl? What young girl? We didn't mention any young girl to begin with. It's unclear why we need to know any of this, or what grades they were all in. It's also unclear why we care that Celine and Mary used to be friends. What's the relevance? A heart-warming coincidence? That's a detail that probably makes more sense when you watch the film. What is clear is that George falls in love a lot, he falls for Celine, she has an abusive fiance and George kicks his ass. That doesn't sound like much of a story, but those are the main beats I'm picking up on. Anyone? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:58, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Well there you go, the film itself was promoted as it doesn't have "much of a story". Celine's grade thing was revealed at the end of the movie after the credits as tidbit with her innocent and free instincts about love. The grade are mentioned to show the time period when each characters first met. In the end an entire song was used to explain who Celine was and in a psychedelic setting pointed at the young version of Celine. It is only after Celine revealing to George, who she is, he starts to fall in lopsided love. Then again the film shares its elements with multiple films, like the framework from the film Autograph (2004 film) and from other Tamil films.

The Silence of the Lambs (1991) Quote:

"Hannibal Lecter: And how do we begin to covet, Clarice? Do we seek out things to covet?. Hannibal Lecter: No. We begin by coveting what we see every day."

It seems this idea is also used in it. Young Celine is shown very familiar with the antics of George and his friends. She also expressed this when meeting George after years later. So it is important to portray the psycho-sexual growth from a young girl to a women.(As a Freudian would say). Because the film is based upon time-lines. It is equally important to explain what did they do and where they were in their lives. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.42.189 (talk) 04:24, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Okay, so we can't include personal analysis of the film. That's original research and is subjective and interpretive, etc. That leaves us with having to describe the plot in a way the everybody in the world can understand it. At some point there was a mention of Celine's role as a young girl, but it was oddly-written and vague, so I cut it. The original prose was: "George's close pals are Shambu (Shabareesh Varma) & Koya (Krishna Sankar) and is accompanied by them to propose Mary. The three used to follow Mary and her school companion Celine (Eva Prakash) daily." I've never seen this film, so it's unclear to me what it means that these guys used to follow Mary, or what role Celine plays as a young girl. I know how some of the other friends play a role down the line, but Celine's role is not clear. If that can be clarified, then maybe we can piece something together that makes sense. Barring that, I had to cut it because it's a random fact that only somewhat makes sense down the road. I hope my explanation makes sense. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:42, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Promotion by association

In this edit I removed the following line: Premam became popular enough in social medias to relate the film and Nivin's performance to the popularity of actor Mohanlal and his films. Grammar issues aside (social medias should be social media, as media is already a plural of medium) I see no value to this statement because it seems like we suddenly care about audience response, which we do not, unless it comes from a reliable tracker like CinemaScore. It also sounds like an apples and oranges comparison. We're comparing Nivin's performance to an actor's popularity? What does that mean? It reads like a poorly constructed attempt to elevate Nivin by putting his name in the same sentence as Mohanlal's name. I don't know what the intention of the sentence is, but that's what I'm getting out of it. Even if we were to say "Premam is as popular as any Mohanlal film" or "According to ___, Nivin is considered the next Mohanlal", what does that mean? And what encyclopedic service is being provided by that fluffy piece of information?

Even the previous incarnation of the sentence is confusing, fluffy, and contains that usual "super" language that Indian film articles seem to problematically attract. After the release of Premam, Nivin Pauly was described as the next Mohanlal in the social medias and got a "superstar" tag I won't go into my whole rant about "superstar", "super-hit", "verdict: blockbuster status" etc, but the general idea is that it's garbage phrasing that only serves to promote (or in the case of "verdict: failure", demote) the subject. Has absolutely no business at Wikipedia. And again, we don't care about the ramblings of social media zombies any more than we care about IMDb user ratings. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

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Plot

So there's been a difference in opinions about a statement in the first paragraph of the plot.

• Charles_Turing says it should be pre-degree which is an Indian, and specifically a Keralite, term.
• I think it should be high-school, which means the same thing, but would be better suited for global readership. Thoughts? Best, Nairspecht Converse 15:22, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

It's an Indian film and story takes place in Kerala. More over, the term pre-degree is linked. Also in the beginning, story takes place in the year 2000 when the term pre-degree was used instead of secondary school. We don't have to change names for making it comfortable for western readers, they can click that link.--Charles Turing (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Dear Charles_Turing, Wikipedia is meant for a global audience, not limited to western readers. Also, there's an attempt to be as concise as possible. Clicking on the link to know a trivial part of the film is not what I would call concise. Anyways, let other editors chip in, too. Best, Nairspecht Converse 15:51, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Trivial or not doesn't matter. Still my opinion is what I said above. Let others talk. --Charles Turing (talk) 16:07, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

First Malayalam film to 200 Days in Tamil Nadu?

As claimed, Premam is not the first Malayalam language film to run for 200-days in Tamil Nadu. The 1988 Mammootty starrer Oru CBI Diary Kurippu had a year-long run in Tamil Nadu. Reference: http://www.rediff.com/movies/1999/jan/06ss.htm MesopotemianVulture (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

The source said it had a record run of 200 days in Chennai. That's the problem with records of this sort. If you keep moving the goalposts, everything is a record. "It had a record run of 200 days in Chennai at the corner of Sivarao and Demellows in Viswanathan's house." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:58, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

The source from rediff made a vague statement. Are you sure the "one whole year" means 365 days or just used to express a nearly long run in the state. You reverted a well sourced content based on a vague statement. Provide a specific source, or atleast another reliable supporting source for the claim. --Charles Turing (talk) 16:42, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Lock Request

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