Talk:Prawo Jazdy (alleged criminal)

WikiProject quality and importance assessment

Every now and then one comes across a Wikipedia article that deserves an explanation for its assessment grading. I have rated this as Start class because there is not much more that one can really say about this sort of mistake. Consequently the Wikipedia article is going to be relatively small in any case. Can it be improved? Certainly! However, the article does cover the basics: Who? What? Where? When? Why? and "How?" the mistake has happened and it has several citations to support the article. So, I think the article has moved beyond being just a stub. It can possibly be improved since it doesn't really cover the aftermath of the mistake or if drivers got away with their offending or paid fines. Nor does it explain if there is a standard for the relevant documents and the relevant law in relation to the use of these documents in Ireland. So there is room for expansion, as the sources contain information not yet in the article, but there is probably not too much more to say about this subject. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 01:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Cameron Dewe, I agree with your start class assessment. Would be good if you could remove stub tags when you rate articles to be in a higher class. Keep up your good work. Schwede66 01:52, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

@Schwede66: Thanks for the suggestion. I will keep an eye out for those Stub templates at the bottom of articles and remove them if I see that articles are no longer stubs. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 02:01, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 10:10, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that "Prawo Jazdy", once considered the worst traffic violator in Ireland, was actually the Polish term for "driver's licence" and not someone's name? Source: [1] (among many others in the article)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Juan Juárez

Created by AFreshStart (talk). Self-nominated at 16:06, 20 December 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I have issues with the lack of structure, the single lump of text. As it is, the article still seems stubish. A sentence or two for a lead, and an added section title would do wonders. Also, article needs cite(s) for first para. 3.8% per Earwig vios (inconsequential). Hook is mostly in second para, but "worst violator" is in the first--which is uncited. I am passing the pic on AGF, but am uneasy about the Personality Rights Warning. I would like to add this funny little article has an April foolishness about it. "Alleged criminal." HA! Cracks me up. Georgejdorner (talk) 03:28, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! I've tried to add sections and have a short lead, and moved around some cites – hopefully the article is okay now? And yes, this does seem like a bad April Fools joke... Wasn't sure if "(alleged criminal)" was the best way to distinguish the article, but I can't think of any better alternatives... —🎄☃️❄️ Season's greetings from AFreshStart (talk) ❄️☃️🎄 15:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Wow! What a difference. GTG. As for "alleged criminal", it's true...and funnier than hell.Georgejdorner (talk) 23:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Modified ALT0 to T:DYK/P1

Requested move 28 July 2022

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to merge to Driving licence in Poland has developed instead.. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

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Prawo Jazdy (alleged criminal) → Prawo Jazdy (suspected criminal) – I think "suspected" might make more sense here. QueenofBithynia (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 16:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:18, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps Prawo Jazdy (mistaken identity), Prawo Jazdy (Irish policing), or simply Prawo Jazdy (error). The current terminology implies it is an actual person, which is inaccurate. --Cerebral726 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

@Cerebral726 You're right; I think "mistaken identity" is the best option here. QueenofBithynia (talk) 16:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC) Stricken - support VQuakr's suggestion below instead —QueenofBithynia (talk) 06:10, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

• Support Prawo Jazdy (mistaken identity). Not really a criminal, even if it was the right name. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
• It's not really a mistaken identity though, either. Parenthetical disambiguation isn't mandatory or even preferred here. How about ''Prawo Jazdy'' criminal database error (with functioning italics of course)? VQuakr (talk) 04:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
• Merge with Driving licence in Poland. Nardog (talk) 05:06, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
  Or move to Prawo Jazdy. It's clearly the primary topic in English-speaking contexts. Nardog (talk) 07:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)
  • I would support merging and redirecting Prawo Jazdy to Driving licence in Poland. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  I think the subjects are different enough that they should remain separate articles. If they are merged, I agree with the redirect. @Necrothesp: would you be willing to strike/reorganize your replies to give a clear ranking of your preferences? As it sits now it sort of reads like you !voted twice. VQuakr (talk) 20:23, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

  @VQuakr: Then what do you think of moving it to Prawo Jazdy, thus usurping the dab page? I don't think many people type in a Polish phrase on the English Wikipedia expecting to see a generic article about the thing it means in Polish, and even they can still follow a hatnote. Nardog (talk) 17:43, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Nardog: that's a better choice than the status quo title, but I think I prefer my suggested title better. Just "Prawo Jazdy" isn't enough to be a recognizable title. VQuakr (talk) 22:39, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

  Neither is the proposed title. Parenthetical disambiguation is for when the base name isn't precise enough; we don't add it just because it's not recognizable enough. Nardog (talk) 23:12, 14 August 2022 (UTC)

  @Nardog: I feel like we're talking past each other a bit. Neither of the options we've proposed use parentheticals. Recognizability is one of the 5 article naming criteria, just like precision. VQuakr (talk) 19:43, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

  Oh, my bad, I guess I mistook you for Cerebral726. In that case I see little reason to include the Polish phrase in the name. "Identification error of Polish driving licences in Ireland" or something. But I still prefer just "Prawo Jazdy", which is concise and still precise in English-speaking contexts. Nardog (talk) 23:08, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

  No worries. For the purposes of !vote counting since all options are better than the current one, I support moving to either ''Prawo Jazdy'' criminal database error or Prawo Jazdy. VQuakr (talk) 23:51, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

• This shouldn't really be titled as an article on "the alleged criminal named Prawo Jazdy". I'd prefer something along the lines of "Prawo Jazdy incident" (though with a more descriptive word than "incident", but I don't have an idea/preference for what that descriptor should be). Elli (talk | contribs) 03:06, 17 August 2022 (UTC)
• Merge to Driving licence in Poland. Redirect Prawo Jazdy to Driving licence in Poland. This article is about the Irish Polish mistaking the Polish term for driving license for a personal name. Both articles are short. PrisonerB (talk) 11:05, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

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