Talk:Political marriages in India
Latest comment: 21 days ago by Aszx5000 in topic This feels like WP:OR
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editI left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Good start..
North8000 (talk) 17:47, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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editWhy Mughal marriage with the rajputs 223.225.122.25 (talk) 06:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Who did Akbar marry?
editThis has so many variations!! Is it jodha bai, jodhbai or josha bai? 89.211.146.192 (talk) 09:41, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion on this at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard#Political marriages in India as I think this is an essay-type article constructed from various sources, almost none of which are about the topic "Political marriages in India", and thus feels WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. Aszx5000 (talk) 09:47, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- This article was nominated for deletion and the general consensus was that the article's scope should be expanded. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:00, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 2nd AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajput Mughal marriage alliances (2nd nomination) was closed as "no consensus", with a lot of concerns about WP:OR and WP:SYNTH-most notably by yourself as the nominator? Aszx5000 (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I had but at that time the article was full of unsourced statements and was named "Rajput Mughal marriage alliances". You can see my comment here to understand how "Political marriages in India" was ultimately decided. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- OR/SYNTH is not about lack of sourcing, it is how editors use sources to create their own statements, as opposed to chronicling statements from reliable sources. What this article really needs are quality sources on the topic of "Political marriages in India". That is why is gets into OR/SYNTH, and also why it has an "essay like" feel to it (which was another tag that you removed without discussion). Aszx5000 (talk) 11:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- OR means "a statement that lacks any sources", and SYNTH means "combining two or more statements to make another statement not supported by the source. But this is a broader topic and each of the sentences here have been supported by the cited reliable sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, read WP:OR first paragraph: "To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented". You should as a new page patroller know this, and you should not be unilaterally removing OR tags placed by other patrollers who have raised concerns about it before talking to them. Aszx5000 (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why don't you cite the statements that you think violate WP:OR? That definition of WP:OR matches with what I said while it contradicts your thoughts.Ratnahastin (talk) 12:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The core issue that there isn't a quality source in this article on the topic of "political marriages in India", which almost by definition (and per above), means that it is OR and SYNTH. That is why this article is problematic, and should be tagged as such to warn readers that this is not based on quality sources writing about the specific topic, but an editor's synthesis of other sources writing about other topics who may have mentioned things about such marriages, and thus may be their own view. That is why we have such tags. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is, Singh, Sabita (2019) The Politics of Marriage in India: Gender and Alliance in Rajasthan published by OUP India is all about politics of marriages in India.Ratnahastin (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is the only one that comes close, and it not about "political marriages in India" per se, but about the broader cultural aspects about marriage (and in Rajasthan). The book describes itself as
The history of marriage is viewed as social history related to customs and laws, but it is also a reflection of an inner life—one that comprises tales of joy, suffering, and the mundane—most of it hidden from the historian’s eye. Analysing the institution of marriage in medieval Rajasthan, Singh reconstructs the regional social structures and cultures of the time
. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- That is the only one that comes close, and it not about "political marriages in India" per se, but about the broader cultural aspects about marriage (and in Rajasthan). The book describes itself as
- There is, Singh, Sabita (2019) The Politics of Marriage in India: Gender and Alliance in Rajasthan published by OUP India is all about politics of marriages in India.Ratnahastin (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The core issue that there isn't a quality source in this article on the topic of "political marriages in India", which almost by definition (and per above), means that it is OR and SYNTH. That is why this article is problematic, and should be tagged as such to warn readers that this is not based on quality sources writing about the specific topic, but an editor's synthesis of other sources writing about other topics who may have mentioned things about such marriages, and thus may be their own view. That is why we have such tags. thanks. Aszx5000 (talk) 14:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Why don't you cite the statements that you think violate WP:OR? That definition of WP:OR matches with what I said while it contradicts your thoughts.Ratnahastin (talk) 12:54, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, read WP:OR first paragraph: "To demonstrate that you are not adding original research, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article and directly support the material being presented". You should as a new page patroller know this, and you should not be unilaterally removing OR tags placed by other patrollers who have raised concerns about it before talking to them. Aszx5000 (talk) 12:39, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- OR means "a statement that lacks any sources", and SYNTH means "combining two or more statements to make another statement not supported by the source. But this is a broader topic and each of the sentences here have been supported by the cited reliable sources. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:48, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- OR/SYNTH is not about lack of sourcing, it is how editors use sources to create their own statements, as opposed to chronicling statements from reliable sources. What this article really needs are quality sources on the topic of "Political marriages in India". That is why is gets into OR/SYNTH, and also why it has an "essay like" feel to it (which was another tag that you removed without discussion). Aszx5000 (talk) 11:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I had but at that time the article was full of unsourced statements and was named "Rajput Mughal marriage alliances". You can see my comment here to understand how "Political marriages in India" was ultimately decided. Ratnahastin (talk) 11:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- The 2nd AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rajput Mughal marriage alliances (2nd nomination) was closed as "no consensus", with a lot of concerns about WP:OR and WP:SYNTH-most notably by yourself as the nominator? Aszx5000 (talk) 11:21, 23 August 2024 (UTC)