Talk:Pokémon the Series: Black & White

Rename Suggestion!!!

i suggest the page be moved to Pokemon: Black & White: Best Wishes! Anirudh Emani (talk) 11:57, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. You are just suggesting to move the article on 11:57 and you moved it several minutes later without reaching a consensus. Opening a rename suggestion tells us that you want to move the article but you are also seeking community agreement. In this case, nobody has responded yet but you moved the page with nobody telling yes.

As for the name, I again oppose it. As what the article says, it is the Japanese working title, and the English translation of Best Wishes so far. It is not equivalent to Pokemon Diamond and Pearl sub-seasons like Sinnoh League Victors, that needs distinction from the original Diamond and Pearl series, mainly because Best Wishes is the first season of the Black and White series; and second, perhaps my greatest opposition reason is that the Japanese title says nothing about "Black and White", so it isn't agreeable that the show's name would contain Black and White. In any other means, the show is not currently airing, so if ever "Black and White" will be included on the title then we can easily move it to your suggested title.--JL 09 ^_q?c 12:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - There was no "Red and Blue" season. There was no "Gold and Silver" season. There was no "Ruby and Sapphire" season. Just because Diamond and Pearl was in the name of it's seasons doesn't mean Black and White will. That is original research. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 12:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Sorry - Fine, OKay, Anirudh Emani (talk) 14:24, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Ash

It's almost certainly true, but are there any WP:RS that state that Ash will stay? --138.110.206.101 (talk) 03:02, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

There have been leaks (such as the conceptual storyboard), but nothing that we can actually cite as of yet. I doubt it will be too long until the information is officially announced though; probably two or three weeks at the most, given how close the series is to debuting. Melicans (talk, contributions) 03:59, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Ash will be in the anime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CorocoroPokemon (talk • contribs) 21:17, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

"Iris"

Where has it been stated that the female character named "アイリス" is named "Iris" in the English alphabet? The official website only uses the Japanese name. It is considered a violation of original research policies to assume that the name will be parsed into the English alphabet as "Iris". For all we know, it could just be the katakana reading of 愛麗子, 愛梨子, and 愛里酢, all of which are "Airisu".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

"Ai" is a long "i" and "su" is "s". Hence, "Airisu" -> "Iris". The same usage (using "consonant + u" for "consonant" in foreign loanwords) is present in many other Pokémon and non-Pokémon examples.

And none of http://name-meanings.com, http://behindthename.com, http://meaning-of-names.com, http://babynamesworld.parentsconnect.com, etc. have any entries for "Airisu". Do you have any WP:RS that says that "Airisu" is a relatively common Japanese name? --70.134.48.188 (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Just because "アイリス" can be read as the word iris does not always mean it does. There is nothing to support that the name a loanword at this point in time. As I said above, "Airisu" is a Japanese name. Just because it does not appear in any of the English websites you looked on, does not mean that Airisu (愛麗子), Airisu (愛梨子), and Airisu (愛里酢) are not valid names in Japanese. Unless you can provide an official statement from the Pokémon anime website, or any other official website affiliated with the airing of the "Best Wishes!" anime do not put "Iris" as the character's name on this article or any other article as doing so is original research.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you have any WP:RS which state that those are actual names? And those websites were ones which specifically had foreign names. Several even had an option to only view names from a specific language. And all of them had Japanese names. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:09, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

This online dictionary features all three of those names. Type in "Airisu" in the Keyword box, then select "Japanese names (ENAMDICT)" from the drop down menu and then click "Search". In addition, the name "Iris" does come up if you select "Search using romanized Japanese" but that is because it is a katakana name, and those are listed first in this man's dictionary. Automatically assuming that these four katakana are meant to be read as "Iris" is most definitely WP:OR, even if you do know how the Japanese treat English words in katakana. And even though you've cited WT:MOS-JA#RfC_on_the_need_for_romaji_with_English_loanwords, that particular discussion is still ongoing and has no bearing on this because there is no way that you can be 100% sure that the name is in fact an English one because the names of the characters in the anime have always been parsed as katakana rather than as kanji. Ash's character in Japan has always been referred to as "サトシ" and never as one of the several hundred possible kanji variations. The same goes for Misty (カスミ), Brock (タケシ), Tracey (ケンジ), May (ハルカ), Max (マサト), and Dawn (ヒカリ). Just because the name of this character can be directly parsed into English does not mean it should be.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

It isn't OR to say that the name Iris is written in katakana as アイリス Airisu. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:30, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source to say that in this very instance, the katakana アイリス when referring to the fictional character to appear in the upcoming Pokémon anime subtitled "Best Wishes" are intended to be read as "Iris"? If you do not, then it is indeed WP:OR to say that those katakana are to be translated as "Iris" rather than directly parsed as "Airisu", an actual girl's name in Japan.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I searched for "Airisu" with "Search romanized Japanese" checked, and the first (i.e. most relevant) result was アイリス Iris. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:34, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I already stated that the hiragana and katakana names come first in his dictionary. If you look up any other name, the katakana spelling will be before all of the kanji spellings. "Iris" is not the most relevant result for "Airisu". This is a dictionary that you are looking through. Not a search engine.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I have full-protected this page for 2 days. Folks, when you start discussing on the talk page, you stop edit warring on the article. –MuZemike 23:08, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I generally disagree, I think, with Ryulong on romanization issues, but I think he's right on this one. In the absence of an official transliteration, it could be considered original research to pick one particular transliteration over a more literal one. --Golbez (talk) 04:00, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Considering that several new characters have been revealed with foreign (to Japan) names, I will finally agree that this character is "Iris", much like the new character ドン・ジョージ featured here would be called "Don George".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:22, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Where are these names? I looked at the link, and there are only Japanese text. Google Translate shows them as "Iris" and "Dent", but it also calls that "Shotti" guy (or whatever his name is) "Shoe tee". So I wouldn't trust it. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 22:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Best Wishes season is set in a fictional world where the characters have names that are not Japanese. Along with the characters in the video games with names like "Aloe", "Cheren", "Belyj", I think it's enough proof that the characters are "Iris", "Dent", "Shooty", and "Don George".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

The Gym Leaders/Elite Four/Professors/whatnot were always named after plants. Considering how Iris is the 8th Gym Leader in White, and her Black counterpart is Shaga (Japanese name of Iris japonica), it would be safe to assume that her name is Iris... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.253.187.44 (talk) 15:48, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

Pokémon: Best Wishes! → List of Pokémon: Best Wishes! episodes — Generally, to be consistent with other Pokémon seasons list. See:

• List of Pokémon: Indigo League episodes
• List of Pokémon: Adventures on the Orange Islands episodes
• List of Pokémon: The Johto Journeys episodes
• List of Pokémon: Johto League Champions episodes
• List of Pokémon: Master Quest episodes
• List of Pokémon: Advanced episodes
• List of Pokémon: Advanced Challenge episodes
• List of Pokémon: Advanced Battle episodes
• List of Pokémon: Battle Frontier episodes
• List of Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl episodes
• List of Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl: Battle Dimension episodes
• List of Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl: Galactic Battles episodes
• List of Pokémon: Diamond and Pearl: Sinnoh League Victors episodes

-JL 09 ^_q?c 13:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Once there are episodes in a list, then it could be moved. Right now there are no episodes listed, so the name would be a lie. _Blake ^{(Talk·Edits)} 14:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Support - We now have some confirmed episode titles listed. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 17:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Although the page should be renamed at this time, the current proposed move target is incorrect per arguments made by Ryulong. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 18:23, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose: Not technically a "Pokémon" series yet. It should be at "List of Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes! episodes" until the English dub gets a unique name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

More romanization issues and Pokémon vs. Pocket Monsters debate

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. -Taelus (Talk) 21:19, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

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Pokémon: Best Wishes! → Pocket Monsters Best Wishes — Following precedent with thirteenth movie article. "Pokémon" should not be in anime-related article titles until the subject of the article is dubbed into English. Tsutarja494, the Grass Snake Editor (talk | contribs) 18:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Since there is no indication the English dub will use "Iris" or "Dent", romanizations should be excluded from the article until English names are confirmed. As for "Pokémon" and "Pocket Monsters", I moved it to "Pocket Monsters Best Wishes" and Ryulong reverted it due to me having not discussed this. As in the thirteenth movie article, the title should not include Pokémon until the series' dub title is confirmed.

I say move to "Pocket Monsters Best Wishes" with no colon, redirect the current title to there, and remove romanizations from the article to clear up the Dento vs. Dent and Airisu vs. Iris debates. Tsutarja494, the Grass Snake Editor (talk | contribs) 18:16, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose: First, this series/season is called "Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes!" in Japan. Second, there are not going to be any English names for these characters until mid next year. As of right now, it has come about that Isshu region is populated by people with non-Japanese names, so that means "Airisu" is "Iris", "Dento" is "Dent", "Shuutii" is "Shooty", and "Don Jooji" is "Don George".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 17:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per Ryulong. Also, consistent with the articles pertaining to each of the prior seasons/series, the primary purpose of this page is to list the episodes of the "Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes!" series, so if this page is to be renamed, a more appropriate title would be "List of Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes! episodes". (That is, until the English dub is produced.) --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 18:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Oppose. This is a small technicality, and the series is by far better known in English as Pokemon rather than Pocket Monsters, so there is little reason why the title should be so strictly translated. [tk] XANDERLIPTAK 14:22, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Pokémon, not Pocket Monsters, is the English translation. Andrewa (talk) 12:27, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

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Formality

I am posting this here because frankly 65.188.138.241 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is not listening and it'd be better to get a larger input on this.

Serebii's names for these characters and places need to be forbidden from use because they do not romanize or translate the names of items properly. "Dento", "Poddo", "Koon", and "Sanyou" should not be used on this or any other page because "Dento", "Poddo", "Koon", and "Sanyou" are merely the direct katakana to English alphabet romanization that Serebii uses and is not proper for writing about the content on Wikipedia (see WP:MOS-JA). If anything, "Koon" should be "Kōn", but that shouldn't be used as I will be describing in the next paragraph.

Secondly, as characters inIsshu sems to having more Englsh names than in the past, "Airisu", "Dento", "Poddo", "Koon", "Aroe", "Shuutii", etc., should be translated into "Iris", "Dent", "Pod", "Corn", "Aloe", "Shooty", etc., unless there is no Western version of that name (e.g. "Kamitsure", "Fūro", "Hachiku", "Shaga", "Gīma", etc.). At least until the dub is started, this should be how we treat the names of characters.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:52, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree with both of your points. Melicans (talk, contributions) 22:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Some explanation

Can we provide some explanation of things here mentioned? For example, the transformation of Hihidaruma to Daruma Mode is important for the summary of 667th episode, but there is no explanation provided for non-Pokemon readers what Daruma Mode is.--JL 09 ^_q?c 18:16, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

That will inevitably be covered when the Pokémon lists are completed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:03, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Brief Summaries Request

I have added a brief summary on the episode, and may randomly do so in the future (subject to permission from others). I do like to request that any episode summaries be kept brief rather than being overly detailed. However, I do encourage helping out in some of the edits if you feel that there is a minor error. Thanks! CHAK 001 06:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

What you wrote is not a summary of the episode. It is a description of what happens in the teaser. A summary covers all of the events of the episode. It does not pose a question of what will happen in the full episode.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

bW in US

expect to see english promos

Recent news that Nintendo plans to release Pokemon Black and White (the games that this season was based on) in The United States, so it's highly likely that this season will air in America too

The WikiSpector (talk) 22:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

We know it will. Just not when.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Cilan and airdates

Serebii, Bulbagarden, Pokebeach, and random twats on YouTube who take the information from the previous three websites and turn it into videos with crappy background music are not reliable sources. Any information on the English names of characters and the airdates of episodes need to come from reliable sources. The fact that people have been hunting down uploads to Cartoon Network's server and discovered two images which I am not linking here does not mean that we can use that information on Wikipedia. Any information needs to be easily backed up, and pointing to a single image which for all we know could change in the next couple of weeks is not a reliable source. If Cartoon Network sets up the B&W website and has all of this information available to the general public, then we can use "Cilan" rather than "Dent" across Wikipedia. And random airdates stated in internal e-mails that random people in the fan community have access too are also not allowed. Wait for TV Guide to say when these episodes are airing.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 07:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Request for Temporary Protection

{{edit semi-protected}} Additional Reasons: The article log I have seen contained persistent reverting edits and possibly vandalism. This could be the work done mainly by IP users, which I did not see any citations or any given permission by editors who authorizes to edit this article as such. In the last two weeks that I read this article when I kept watch of this and related articles, I have suspected an increase in possible vandalism, which leaves me concerned. CHAK 001 (talk) 22:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 Not done The page isn't semiprotected which is what that template is meant for, and you can edit the page anyway. Go to WP:RFPP.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:41, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I will watch the article, but the template does exclude this talk page, however. It only affects the article itself. CHAK 001 (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

UPDATE: I will check the article again after the semi-protection is lifted, and if necessary, I will request an extension. CHAK 001 (talk) 04:56, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

You do not understand. There was no reason for you to use {{edit semi-protected}} on this page because at the time the page was not semi-protected. You do not use that template to request that a page be semi-protected. You go to another page to do that.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

BW009/668

Accoding to TV Tokyo it's not "暴走ペンドラー！キバゴを救え！" but "ペンドラー暴走！キバゴを救え！！" -.- --Wp trollz -.- (talk) 22:29, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Fixed.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:35, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

English Names

I think that the names and places mentioned in the episode summaries should be changed to English. Meaning changing Satoshi to Ash, Dent to Cilan, Raimon City to Nimbasa City, ect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.163.168 (talk) 16:09, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

They are only to be changed to English if 1 of 2 criteria are met.

1. The episode was aired in English.
2. You are an affiliate or work for The Pokemon Company International and are able to obtain information about the episodes not released yet.

—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 16:42, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

No. That second criteria should not matter, because that is not a reliable source. The only time that the American dub names of any of the characters or locations should be used is after the episode has aired in the United States.—Ryulong (竜龙) 19:37, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Season 15

Season 15 will be called Rival Destinies

Source: http://pokepress.blogspot.com/2012/01/john-loeffler-2ba-masterpokemon-season.html

Season 14 ended 15 september 2011 on Japon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark6teen (talk • contribs) 19:48, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Season 15 premiered February 18, 2012 on USA on Cartoon Network.190.167.4.169 (talk) 00:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It's not been February 18, 2012, yet.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Does this article needs to be updated?

The article seems to depict this season as being cancelled in the United States. Are any episodes dubbed yet? Please, somebody update this. 206.15.252.30 (talk) 16:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

We only report on what we can report about.—Ryulong (竜龙) 02:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

No, the article does not say it has been been cancelled. The season has came to its conclusion and the article will get split, once we have the title of the 15th season. The title of the upcoming season has been potentially revealed along with the opening song but it is yet to be confirmed. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪AdyNiz♪♫ 05:12, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Lucasmoura talks

Pocket Monsters: Best Wishes was aired in September 23, 2010 in Japan. You now, Pokémon: Black and White (USA Version 2011-2012) it's the Season 14 aired in United States in February 12, 2011 until January 7, 2012 aired in Cartoon Network. In Brazil, Pokémon: Black and White was aired in Cartoon Network Brazil in February 4, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.82.220.133 (talk) 18:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't have a clue what you are trying to say.—cyberpower (Talk to Me)(Contributions) 19:00, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

None of this is in any way relevant "Lucasmoura". This page covers the episodes of the Best Wishes series that comprise the "Black & White" season outside of Japan.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

You have the airdate in Latin American aired in March 17, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.82.230.238 (talk) 16:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

This article is complete. There is no need to have to change it.—cyberpower ^Chat_{Limited Access} 16:28, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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