Talk:Peter and the Wolf

Prokofiev

This page says Prokofiev returned to Russia in 1933 but the Prokofiev page says 1936. It needs to be harmonised.

I think what the page means is that Prokofiev had written the song in 1936, after he had returned to Russia in 1933.-PlasmaDragon 22:15, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

story

What is the story? Shouldn't we provide a summary of what the story is about? --69.216.131.46 01:13, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Done. Hope you like it. --Pjt56 17:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think, though, that the story as described features the new, tamer ending (the wolf goes to the zoo.) Didn't the original version have the huntsmen kill the wolf? Emcurt3 03:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Citation needed

How do we know that Prokofiev's tongue was in his cheek? The location of his tongue (i.e. his intent when composing, especially if ironic) is hard to verify and probably a bit a matter of opinion. If there is a source that says what his intent was, I would like it to be cited.-PlasmaDragon 04:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Since it seems like nobody could find a citation, I have now removed the statement in question.-PlasmaDragon 20:01, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Clean-up

The Related works section recently received additions that were lazily put into a list. This section should be restructured so that each topic reads as a paragraph, or broken into sub-sections for each topic. —scarecroe 19:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I came here to say something similar. There is far too much duplication between the table in Recordings and subsection Other under Adaptations. Choose ONE place for these to appear and delete the duplicate, nothing here needs to be listed twice in different sections. 2603:9001:4500:1C09:25DA:3FDF:DFE2:52BB (talk) 21:00, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Clarinet range

I have heard before that the lowest note in the cat's part cannot be played on a normal Bb Clarinet, though a quick Googling only shows an apparent mirror of an earlier version of this page. Perhaps this could be verified and added... 62.101.102.226 15:34, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I can't really speak to the orchestral specifics or notability of your claim, although some narrators mention the clarinet being in a low register during the introduction to the instruments/animals. For example, Basil Rathbone in his 1941 recording Muaddib (talk) 17:07, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Notable recordings

Two more recordings were just added to the list of Notable Recordings. If the name of the section is to stay, each entry needs to be sourced as to why it's notable. If folks are just going to keep adding their favorite recordings, "Notable" should be dropped with the intention of making that section a Discography. —scarecroe 14:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Fixed reference to Arthur Fiedler. Link was pointing to Arthur Fielder, a cricketer instead of the Boston Pops conductor.JoeyJoeJoe70 (talk) 02:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I have a recording in Russian, Vera Maretskaya, narrator, Nikolai Golovanov conducting the State Symphony of the USSR. 7 12" 78 rpm sides, USSR 014385/91, from 1947. These are both notable figures in the Russian theatrical and musical arts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Recordmaven (talk • contribs) 15:32, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Peter the Pioneer Scout

Is there a reference for Peter being a scout? It's not apparent from English translations of the narration that I've seen, e.g. http://library.thinkquest.org/C005400/musi/prokofievpnw.html Kingofaustria (talk) 09:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

New commercial

Does anyone know what's the new commercial using an excerpt from this piece? Willi Gers07 (talk) 20:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Another Boy, another Wolf

The story is in sharp contrast with that of The Boy Who Cried Wolf. The lying, cowardly shepherd boy is such a contrast to the brave and truthful Peter. Das Baz, aka Erudil 02:24, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Original Language

It would be very nice to discuss the original language. This article currently only mentions an English translation. Maybe talk about other language translations as well? I am not familiar with the citation guidelines to know whether this is appropriate, but it would be nice if there were citations for each notable recording. Programmerq (talk) 07:07, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia, so I assume that narrations in other languages are not very notable. The interested reader will find them by visiting the various interwiki links of this article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Copyright law

This article has a copyright law section. Per my copyright knowledge, this won't be in the public domain until 2031, and it was only 2012 when the section took place. Any faulty info here?? Georgia guy (talk) 16:06, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what your question is. As I understand it, Peter and the Wolf will enter the public domain in the United States indeed in 2031, 95 years after its publication in 1936, and in 2024 in Russia, 70 years after Prokofiev's death in 1953. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 09:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

The copyright law section of the article is near the bottom of the article. Please see it. It appears to be saying that foreign works entered the public domain. If Peter and the Wolf is one of these, the article is inconsistent with the way we understand copyright expiration. Georgia guy (talk) 13:07, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware of the section Peter and the Wolf#In copyright law in the article. It says that, among many other foreign works, Peter and the Wolf had been in the public domain in the United States but had its copyright restored in January 2012 through Golan v. Holder which confirmed the legality of the 1994 Uruguay Round Agreements Act (URAA). URAA demanded that signatories of the Berne Convention were compelled to apply copyright in their countries for works which were under copyright in the works' country of origin, even if they were not previously under copyright in the signatories' countries. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

When and why did it enter the public domain early?? The way I understand copyright, it's not supposed to enter the public domain until 2031, as it says in this section of the talk page. Georgia guy (talk) 12:53, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why, but according to all the comments during Golan v. Holder, including the judgement itself, it must have. From reading the article about the Uruguay Round Agreements Act, I assume it was PD in the US because there was no copyright agreement between the USSR and the US and/or because of a failure to comply with various copyright formalities. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:32, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

ITV adaptation

Hi, In ocassion of the UEFA Euro 2012 the British television network ITV adopts the music for its transmissions intros. www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ6lF0yENq0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nekko09 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 2 external links on Peter and the Wolf. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add {{cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:

• Attempted to fix sourcing for http://ubl.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,3061608,00.html
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/20070928003434/http://72.166.46.24//archive/music/98/01/01/COLDCUT.html to http://72.166.46.24//archive/music/98/01/01/COLDCUT.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Y An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers. —^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 15:19, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Peter and the Wolf. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Corrected formatting/usage for http://audaud.com/2013/05/prokofiev-peter-and-the-wolf-britten-young-persons-guide-to-the-orchestra-dukas-the-sorcerers-apprentice-ben-kingsley-narr-london-sym-orch-sir-charles-mackerras/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

Y An editor has reviewed this edit and fixed any errors that were found.

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—^{cyberbot II}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 19:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

English translations

Is there one main translation into English, or many? Who have been the main translators of this from original Russian? If there have been many versions in English, have they mostly been derived from each other?-71.174.183.90 (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 4 external links on Peter and the Wolf. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110722055641/http://www.russianarts.org/rno/wolftracks.cfm to http://www.russianarts.org/rno/wolftracks.cfm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080509161401/http://www.russianarts.org/rno/wq04tour1.cfm to http://www.russianarts.org/rno/wq04tour1.cfm
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20080517090723/http://www.rjeproductions.com/recordingsPATW.shtml to http://www.rjeproductions.com/recordingsPATW.shtml
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20070103042413/http://www.necromancerevents.com/orchestraconcerts.html to http://www.necromancerevents.com/orchestraconcerts.html

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 08:28, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Samples

It's great that someone has put samples up of each instrument, but honestly they all sound like they're played on a school keyboard and sound really terrible. Could someone find samples of the actual instruments? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:AA7C:1501:A034:9BA0:A46C:8848 (talk) 18:48, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Moscow Philharmonic

The text says the first performance was 1936 with the Moscow Phil but the Moscow Phil page says it was founded in 1951.

Any clarification ? Brian 86.189.249.133 (talk) 21:45, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for speedy deletion

The following Wikimedia Commons files used on this page or its Wikidata item have been nominated for speedy deletion:

• Peter and the Wolf - Bird.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Cat.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Duck.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Grandfather.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Hunters.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Peter.mid
• Peter and the Wolf - Wolf.mid

You can see the reasons for deletion at the file description pages linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

It's spelled Prokofieff

I am looking at, in hand, the German Printed 1961 book "Peter and the Wolf". 2600:1700:7204:9340:1CE1:D3ED:AAF5:95A2 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2024 (UTC)