Talk:Percy Wyndham (1835–1911)

Better disambiguators

@BrownHairedGirl:, isn't the new disambiguator rather clunky - why not just go for Percy Scawen Wyndham, which already exists as a redirect, or alternatively Percy Wyndham (Conservative politician) would work as the other, 18th-century politician was evidently a Whig? Using dates as disambiguators seems undesirable to me if it can be avoided as it is so cumbersome to type. --Aegoceras (talk) 20:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

@Aegoceras:, my main concern was to create a unique disambiguator, in place on the non-unique one in use. Dates are nearly always an unambiguous dab, and I don't find them cumbersome to type.

There may of course be a better dab. Percy Scawen Wyndham is a possibility, but it shouldn't be used unless that was his WP:COMMONNAME, and at first glance it appears not to be. Maybe you have other evidence?

I'm not sure how well Percy Wyndham (Conservative politician) works. Depends on how heavily he wore the Conservative label. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I suppose we have to agree to differ on whether dates are cumbersome, but I can point to WP:NCPDAB which says they should be a last resort ("Years of birth and death are not normally used") and if used should be confined to one date only (" a single use of the date of birth or death"). On using his middle name, no I'm not claiming this form was his comon name. Moving on then to Conservative politician, I think this would be OK, it's how he's described in the lede (and look at his pic, looks like a Conservative to me!). In fact he was indeed an intimate of the Conservative PM Arthur Balfour who was a frequent house guest (see Clouds House). So in conclusion my preference would be Percy Wyndham (Conservative politician) -- Aegoceras (talk) 22:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

He looks like a "gentleman" of his era. The prominent Liberals of the time adopted a similar image.

It seems to me that he was more notable as a member of The Souls than as a Tory, and that "The Souls" would be a better disambiguator. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

By analogy with the style of the examples given in WP:NCPDAB I think it would have to be "member of The Souls", but I don't think either variant is a "standard, commonly used tag" as per NCPDAB in the way that "Conservative politician" is - "The Souls" isn't used as a disambiguator for anyone else, whereas there are 41 cases of using "Conservative politician". I also think his identification with Conservatism is reinforced by the fact that his son George Wyndham was a Conservative cabinet minister. -- Aegoceras (talk) 10:25, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Lots of miscoceptions there.
The career of his son is irrelevant to this discussion.
The purpose of a disambiguator is to differentiate, not write an essay, so per WP:NCDAB, simpler dabs are prefered. So "The Souls" is preferable to "member of The Souls" -- the words "member of" add nothing). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:46, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

The point of using "member of" is that the qualifiers per WP:NCPDAB are "what the person is noted for being", e.g. the NCPDAB example Roger Taylor (Duran Duran drummer), and not "Roger Taylor (Duran Duran)". Your suggestion would be the equivalent of the latter. "The Souls member" would be the most concise equivalent of the former, while "member of The Souls" perhaps scans a little better. -- Aegoceras (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2015 (UTC)