Hi FloridaArmy You'll notice I removed duplicate content. Usually in an article this size (stub-class), the next bit of information to include in the lead is what the person is notable for. In this case it would read: "He is best known for writing the hit song Moonlight Bay". If the article is substantial enough, then certain points can be highlighted in the lead. Since this article is not substantial, the reader can immediately find all pertinent information in the one section Personal life and career directly below. Thus, no need to include duplicate content. Thanks! PS I would be in favor of adding what Wenrich is best known for (Moonlight Bay) in the lead. Maineartists (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
- The lead is too short and doesn't summarize what he is known for. What is in the opening paragraphs is always expanded on in following sections. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:59, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
- @FloridaArmy The lead is not too short for an article this size. It summarizes perfectly what he is known for in regards to what the article states. The WP:Onus to include accompanying and writing for his "non-notable" singer wife has not been proven. In addition: "The lead is too short and doesn't summarize what he is known for" - again, yes it does: "was an American composer of ragtime and popular music." That being said, there is nothing of notable substance to glean this particular bit of content (2 short sentences) and place it in the lead outside of any other content; considering The Lambs Club, Songwriters on Parade etc are notable links and are not mentioned in the lead. Gain consensus first, please, before reinstating. Thanks. Speaking strictly grammar, this: "He wrote for and accompanied his singer wife Dolly Connolly on tour" is not good writing. Maineartists (talk) 20:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
- 1) His wife is definitely notable. 2) They performed together, she was already a star before they met 3) The lead doesn't summarize the main aspects of his life and notoriety 4) He wrote songs for his wife and she was a big part of his life and career performing as an accompaniest. Not worth wasting time going back and forth with one side spouting a lack of knowledge of Wikipedia policies and insisting on falsities. Have a nice day. FloridaArmy (talk) 20:25, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
- I will work on expanding the article to satisfy a lengthier lead. At present, it just does not afford such liberties similar to Al Dubin, Spencer Williams, Edward Madden, etc. If you believe his wife is notable, write an article on her. Just saying she is notable doesn't make her so at WP. By your list of reasons for inclusion, a persuasive argument could be made as well for Madden: his longtime lyricist who penned many hit songs with Wenrich. Inclusion should not be subjective but based on substantial content within the article. Maineartists (talk) 23:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
