Talk:Pennsylvania Route 171

GA Review

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Comments:

1. I noticed a comment on the talk page saying that the route description needs to be shortended and copyeditied. If that is true, can these fixes be made? (I will look over it too in this review)

   I talked about that with Julian, he understands that the amount is fair, especially because of its location.

2. "a mere 250 feet"? Can you remove "a mere"?
3. "The turnpike, chartered in 1851, ran from Scranton until being abandoned in 1889. " sounds confusing and awkward. Anyway, didn't the prior sentence say it began in Dickson City?

   Its stretch along current US 6 BUS started in Dickson City. Which is said in the article.

4. "the mass state highways"? This needs to be reworded.
5. In the phrase "which stretched the highway from U.S. Route 6/U.S. Route 106 in Carbondale, to the New York state line at Hallstead, Pennsylvania.", remove comma after "Carbondale" and do not need to indicate Hallstead is in Pennsylvania.
6. "decommissioned" is a possible neologism. Can another word be used here?
7. "duplication to Interstate 70": change "to" to "with".
8. Do not need to indicate Carbondale is in Pennsylvania as we know the whole route is within that state.
9. It is redundant to indicate Fell Township is to the north of Carbondale as we know the route progresses to the north.
10. "monikers" should be "names".
11. "residential homes and commercial businesses" sounds wordy.
12. "becomes the parallel to"? Remove "the"
13. Is "Owego Turnpike" the name of the road or is it supposed to be "Osewgo Turnpike"?

    Owego Turnpike is correct.

14. "residential and commercial homes"? How can home be "commercial'?
15. "wanders through the forests" needs to be rephrased.
16. The sentence "This continues for several miles, passing by a reservoir and after an intersection with Buffalo Road, the road turns to the northeast." sounds awkward.
17. When naming communities in the route description, you always indicate that it is in Pennsylvania. This is redundant and all instances of these should be changed to only display the community name.
18. "beginning the development of the highway" sounds awkward.
19. Can you not use "highway" in every sentence?
20. "In downtown Forest City, the town is developed"? Isn't that true of most downtowns? It sounds redundant and needs to be rephrased.
21. "The route wanders for a while in Forest City"? This needs to be rephrased.
22. "where at an intersection with Cemetery Road, where the route leaves the community": remove the second instance of "where".
23. The sentence "North of Forest City, PA 171 becomes rather underdeveloped again, and the highway begins a several mile progression northward through the deep forests." sounds wordy. You can instead say "North of Forest City, PA 171 heads north for several miles through deep forests."
24. Do not use "then" in describing progression of route.
25. "monikers" should be "names" here also.
26. "back in" should be "back into the route".
27. "diverging from the forests of which it was following" sounds awkward.
28. The sentence "The center, underdeveloped, consists of an intersection with Skyline Drive, and ends rather quickly." sounds awkward.
29. In two consecutive sentences, you mention the route heads northward. Can one of these instances be removed?
30. PA 371 has its western terminus at PA 171, not its eastern terminus.
31. Comma not needed in sentence "The route leaves Herrick Center, and heads northward through rural parts of Susquehanna County."
32. "losing its Stillwater Road moniker" sounds awkward.
33. Add "is located" after "where Pennsylvania Route 370's western terminus"
34. You use "progresses" in almost every sentence. Can a variety of words be used?
35. The sentence "The route passes Dunn Pond, where it bends to the northwest, and into Ararat Township." sounds awkward.
36. "the road starts wandering its way northward" sounds awkward.
37. Remove comma in phrase "it returns to the unpopulated area, and intersects with local roads."
38. What are "major forests"?
39. The sentence "This quickly reverts back to the undeveloped rural farms, which follow PA 171 along its trip to the northwest." sounds awkward.
40. In the first sentence of the Susquehanna Depot and Oakland section, you again mention PA 171 is highly developed. This sentence is also wordy and needs to be split into multiple sentences.
41. Do not use "PA 171 continues westward" in the same sentence twice.
42. Can the heading of the "Great Bend and north" sentence be changed to "Great Bend to I-81"
43. The sentence "To the south of the highway is the river, to the north of the highway is residential homes and deep forests behind those." sounds awkward.
44. Comma not needed in sentence "PA 171 quickly leaves Hickory Grove and enters another set of deep forests, separating the highway and the river."
45. "with the trees surrounding beginning to break up" sounds awkward.
46. The entire route description is sourced from Yahoo Maps. Can other sources be used as well? This is a 40 mile long route and I believe there are more sources out there.

    Route descriptions aren't that down to detail that we need more than 1 reference type.

47. "until on December 7, 1889, when citizens tore down the tollbooths in Blakely." sounds awkward.
48. "control of the turnpike's alignment had turned over Lackawanna County for later maintenance" also sounds awkward.
49. "mass state highway numbering "? Is that what it was called?
50. "at Hallstead" does not need to be in parentheses.
51. "township" should be capitalized.
52. Same caveats about "decommissioned".
53. Are the mileages and name of the routes known in the major intersections table?

    For mileage, and a route this size, I will have to put a request in for someone with GIS to give me those, as then there would 20000 Yahoo Maps refs.

54. Can you find the publisher of the map in reference 6?

I am placing the article on hold. Dough4872 (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments and finishes.Mitch/HC32 14:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I will pass the article. Dough4872 (talk) 00:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Published by Pennsylvania Department of Highways but not primary?

@Dough4872: how can a map published by the Pennsylvania Department of Highways not be a wp:primary source when it comes to a highway in Pennsylvania? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:14, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

The raw GIS data used to make the map is the primary source. The map is a secondary source. Dough4872 21:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

This isn't specifically about maps this is about the Pennsylvania Department of Highways, how can something they publish about a highway in Pennsylvania not be primary? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:19, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Department of Highways is a first-hand source, their maps are secondary sources. As I mentioned, the raw data to make the map is the primary source. Dough4872 21:46, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

How can their maps about themselves be anything other than a primary source? If Walmart publishes a map of Walmart stores thats a primary source for info about Walmart stores, if the Pennsylvania Department of Highways publishes a map of highways in Pennsylvania thats a primary source for info about highways in Pennsylvania (such as Pennsylvania Route 171). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 21:52, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I get the feeling that you wouldn't like any map used in this way, not even the ones by Rand McNally. --Rschen7754 22:21, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm ok with using maps as primary sources as long as its due in context. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:22, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dough4872: are you still confused about what constitutes a primary source? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 15:04, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Notability

@Dough4872: can you provide the reliable independent sources you believe exist which support your claim of notability? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:32, 10 October 2022 (UTC)