Talk:Patti Smith/Archive 3

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Ivan Král vs Lenny Kaye

The article describes Ivan as the bass guitar player and Lenny Kaye as the guitarist of PSG. But looking at it closer showes that both kept actually fluently switching between lead guitar and bass - in studio as much as on stage.

If you look at the Rockpalast concert in 1979:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GC4ByJCbh8 (here Lenny: guitar, Ivan: bass)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2AK5eIKL8c (here Ivan: lead guitar, Lenny: bass)

etc.

So I made some tiny changes in the bio text to reflect this a little more.

But it would probably be worth of an individual sentence, since it is not a typical situation within the outfits of rock bands.

--93.134.187.188 (talk) 10:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Brief description of Patti Smith for hatnote on Patty Smyth article

This article has a hatnote to direct the reader to the Patty Smyth article, in case of confusion. I added a similar hatnote to that article to direct the reader here. To do so, I had to write a short description of Patti Smith. The hatnote reads: "For the musician and visual artist associated with punk rock, see Patti Smith."

The task is to write a few words to identify Patti Smith, similar to the way that the hatnote here identifies Patty Smyth as "the lead singer of the band Scandal". I'm not completely happy with what I wrote, so perhaps an editor more knowledgeable about Patti Smith can improve the reference to her at Patty Smyth. JamesMLane t c 12:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Born vs Origin What caused this weird convention in Wikipedia whereby anyone who made their fame in NY has to be noted as "origin" NY whereas if someone say, born in NY and who became famous in Chicago, their bio does not state "origin" in Chicago? Boy does NY have a thin skin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:643:8500:79D4:5995:44B4:9064:3BAC (talk) 05:11, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Non-free media

There were six instances of non-free media on this page, none of which actually had some supporting text to justify their inclusion. Anyone who wants to insert music clips in here that are non-free should review WP:NFCC. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:27, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Nicely tamed down

The extended portion I added about Patti’s attitude toward feminism and sex has been nicely tamed down to make it safe for Wikipedians. Reality is better reflected in another venue. Nicmart (talk) 04:46, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Timeline

The "Timeline" section is a bit unusual. The diagonal lines appear to have been anchored on something, perhaps in a graphic composite from which this was pulled.  ??

Cellmaker (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Double check title picture

To me the title picture shows a male singer with long hair. Can anybody verify that the picture is indeed Patti Smith? Compared to other pictures on google this seems a big change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MelchiorG (talk • contribs) 13:53, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

To me there is absolutely no doubt that this is Patti Smith. Check [1] for other 2007 pics of her. --Blutgretchen (talk) 10:30, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

This is absolutely nonsense: the guy in the picture is Finland and definitely not Patti Smith. HorstSL (talk) 16:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually the picture shows Beni Köhler from Finland. Look at he caption of the file. HorstSL (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Shrimp Boats by Harry Belafonte?

Something about this unlinked reference to the "Shrimp Boats" song by Harry Belafonte bothered me. It isn't found by Google, listed at discogs, or in his wikipedia page. I think this is probably a reference to the Bananna Boat Song (Day-O) (1956) or Shrimp Boats by Jo Stafford (1951). It could be a reference to both.

Does anyone know what this should be? It doesn't seem to be in the AllMusic reference but may be in her book. --JoelSherrill (talk) 13:49, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Heartland rock

Should heartland rock be added to the genres? The Mo-Ja'al (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

No 90.249.148.253 (talk) 06:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Legacy - The year she lost her vocal ability?

Is there some way that someone can identify, or otherwise quantify what happened to her singing voice, and how that might have affected her career? I'd like for someone who knows the inside story to post up about what went wrong in her life, and how her once-great voice ended up being what it is. Anyone have any thoughts? 73.6.96.168 (talk) 23:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Nobel performance of A Hard Rain

In the description of her Nobel performance is the line "possibly overcome by nerves" this is conjecture and opinion. She has publicly stated that it was not nerves but the words simply left her. Shouldn't this be changed? 90.249.148.253 (talk) 18:06, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

I disagree completely. She is obviously fighting something that we don't know about. I don't know if it's "nerves" or what, but clearly there are some problems. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 23:06, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

profile image

Possibly, a more unflattering image could be found - but I doubt it. I'm not up for it at the moment, but I'm sure a more appropriate image that fits our usage guidelines can be located. Dlabtot (talk) 06:27, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dlabtot: I don't know what you mean about a "flattering" image... File:Patti Smith performing at TIM Festival, Marina da Gloria, Rio De Janeiro (4).jpg which is now later in the article was the profile picture for awhile. I prefer it as an image but I have to admit that the current one is a better photo for sure. (Although both are good.) What is your objection? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:29, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Unflattering is a common English word, if you don't know what it means, I'd suggest using a dictionary. Dlabtot (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

@Dlabtot: Hey, I actually know what the word means but I don't see how this image is unflattering. Can you explain what you mean? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:39, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

My pictures aren't that "flattering" either, but I'm ugly. It is what it is. Not everyone is "pretty". 73.6.96.168 (talk) 23:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Patti did NOT accept the Nobel Prize for Bob Dylan.

The article says "On December 10, 2016, Smith accepted the Nobel Prize for Literature on behalf of Bob Dylan" Well, she did not! The price is to be awarded during 2017 to Bob Dylan at a convenient time and at a convenient place. What Patti Smith did do was sing at the Nobel award ceremony after the price in literature had been announced and after the speech from the president of the Swedish Academy (Horace Engdahl). Episcophagus (talk) 21:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi Episcophagus, the source I referred to (A Transcendent Patti Smith Accepts Bob Dylan’s Nobel Prize) already says it in the title. Being Dutch myself, I also read this on a news site in my own language. Of course you may be right and the sources I read may be wrong. But do you have a source for your assertion? Kind regards, --Matroos Vos (talk) 22:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

If you understand Swedish please read this article in Dagens Nyheter (#1 Swedish newspaper) Ingen medalj till Bob Dylan under Nobelprisutdelningen (No medal to Bob Dylan at the Nobel Price ceremonies) that says "Så ingen kommer ta emot medaljen i Bob Dylans ställe? Nej, utan då går man över på nästa programpunkt efter att Horace Engdahl håller sitt tal" ("So nobody is going to accept the medal in Bob Dylan's place? No, you just skip over to the next point in the program after Horace Engdahl's speech") and "Hur får Bob Dylan medaljen? – Det är inte bestämt ännu, men det kommer att ske någon form av överlämning under nästa år. Det här har hänt vid flera tillfällen, då löser vi alltid det med överlämning senare" (How will Bob Dylan get the medal? - This is not decided yet, but there will be some kind of presentation during the nest year. This has happened at several occasions and we always solve it with a later presentation). I can come up with even heavier quotes, but it's quite late in Sweden and my bed is screaming... Regards, Episcophagus (talk) 00:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. I can't read Swedish, but in Google Translate it seemed rather convincing. But wouldn't it be better if you gave a source in English, when you're going to correct the story? Not for me personally, but because of the fact that most of the readers here are English speaking? Have a good sleep, Matroos Vos (talk) 01:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

A video from the Nobel Prize ceremonies can be wiewed here. The presentation of the literature prize starts at 55:45 with a speech by Horace Engdahl, which ends at 1:02:30, and thereafter Patti Smith performs A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall. At 1:11:40 the prize ceremony for economics (not a true Nobel Prize btw) starts. Many foreign (i.e. non-Swedish) media got it wrong and claimed that Patti Smith accepted the prize for Dylan, which she obviosly didn't (she didn't enter the stage to receive the medal and diploma like the other laureates), but at least Associated Press got it right which can be read in, for instance Chicago Tribune here. When it comes to editing the article I leave that to somebody who writes better English than I do (you, for instance...). Regards, Episcophagus (talk) 11:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the extra links. Good to see what really happened. And rather scary to realize that a lot of lazy journalists all over the world just copied each other in telling that nonsense about Patti Smith accepting the prize on behalf of Bob Dylan. Makes you wonder once again to what extend you can trust the papers, even with simple facts... Anyway, I've rewritten the story on the Wikipage. Do you agree with how it's formulated now? Kind regards, Matroos Vos (talk) 04:04, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! --Episcophagus (talk) 12:03, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

They can now sing equally well, so it all worked out fine. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 23:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)