Talk:Partner violence in hip-hop

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Title revision and other notes on improving this article

I would suggest the title be "Partner Violence in Rap Lyrics" or "Images of Partner Violence in Rap Lyrics" or "Rap Songs".

The introduction to the article should define "intimate partner violence" and discuss the prominence of health risk among Black and Brown women from a Black feminist standpoint. It should cite data such as that found in the CDC and the specific data relative to the marginalization of Black women. If you read the CDC website, there is a whole section on teens. Teens are primary target of pop and rap music. Find evidence of this in articles. There's a lot to write here.

Find what is "notable" about intimate partner violence and if you all reference what rappers say outside of songs that condones or enables intimate partner violence, then the title of the article could be "Gender-Based Violence in Rap Lyrics and Hip Hop Culture". You could give definitions of gender-based violence, sexual objectification, linguistic violence, intimate partner violence and domestic violence. Then given 1-2 examples of them from rap lyrics. Think of this YouTube video as a model..

Also do a lit search on Google Scholar: Search "lyrics sexism and rap" and read the abstracts of these articles to provide NPOV (Neutral point of view) about rap lyrics in hip-hop culture. There are dozens of articles you could reference.

Remember that what you do should have a NPOV - provide all sides of a debate or issue; it must be notable and based on credible and/or scholarly sources. Scholars have written about this before, cite them! And find things that help substantiate the use of sexist and violent language as harm to girls and boys, children, and members of marginalized ethnic groups.

You might also introduce the Black feminist standpoint theory as a framework for such analysis. IF you need help, ask!

PS Be sure to cite Black women!!! Use the Google Doc created as a source.

sheridanford (talk) 00:38, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

References

Search for sites that collect examples

Students working on this article need to search personally for examples, use the Google Machine! Search: "sexist lyrics in rap" and find tons of resources and be sure to cite them. sheridanford (talk) 01:56, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Hollywood Reporter: #MeToo and Hip-hop Overdue

Just ran across this article and thought this would expand the article a great deal.

Unfortunately, in my adult life, I had firsthand experience with sexual assault. I'm lucky to be alive, that I worked tirelessly to get my rapist off the streets and registered as a sex offender. The irony doesn't escape me. It wasn't easy, and it wreaked havoc on my relationships and my life. In light of the Me Too movement, I've started to think differently about the music I listened to before I understood the implications.

"It's just a song," said a boyfriend once. But it's not just a song. It's repetitive, a mantra. The meditative power of rap seems to escape people. My ex-boyfriend works for one of the most famous rappers in the industry. After I was drugged and raped by a stranger after a Juicy J concert, my ex left my life, only popping up here and there. I was too shell-shocked to care. A witness in my case, he skillfully evaded my detective for years.

Perhaps you could name the article #MeToo and Hip-hop or have a section under that heading. sheridanford (talk) 20:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

References

This needs some serious copy editing

Can you find someone in your group to copy-edit this article. In the section with the decades and lyrics, there are horrible typos, lower-case where upper-case should be used, and songs and some lyrics are not set in quotation marks as proscribed by the Wikipedia: Manual of Style. Please clean up! sheridanford (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Issue

This article is written so much like an essay–specifically the lead needs some serious work. I might try to clean up the lead a bit. Mcguy15 (talk)

Wiki Education assignment: Black American Music 209

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Wiki Education assignment: HipHop Music Culture

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Normalization appears to be an argument used by campaigners - it is not an objective fact

This article appears to stray at times into being an opinion piece because what is said of some lyrics is an opinion. The opinion may not be something that almost everyone agrees upon because there may be a significant body of people that take the opposing view that hip-hop lyrics are deliberately over-exaggerated and exist like a representation in a horror movie that is not to be taken as a serious thing to do in real life. (Indeed a comment above, of a boyfriend that has said it is 'just a song' may well be a common view, perhaps one even divided on gender lines but nonetheless common, and as such the opinion that a lyric normalizes rape when there is no evidence that rape has been made normal behavior of most people by it, and therefore normal behavior in society as a whole, is not an opinion almost everyone agrees with.) Lyrics may be there for various reasons, one of which is to attempt to shock and provoke a reaction and, rather than supporting them and normalizing anything, they may cause some people to disagree with what is said. This appears therefore not to be neutral point of view, although I wonder whether I have missed some context (due to myself being autistic) and whether neutral point of view even is appropriate here.

This is not to belittle or undermine anything about serious sexual violence and the long-lasting traumatic effect this has on victims/survivors and it is important to recognize this. Nonetheless, for example, it claimed is a song "contains lyrics normalizing physical (including sexual) violence". Despite this, there is no suggestion that rape is committed by most people and that this sexual violence is therefore normal human behavior. It remains deviant behavior despite the lyrics and few but deviant people would believe that rape was something to do or that it was acceptable behavior. As a result, committing rape, the form of sexual violence mentioned by the lyric, has not been normalized. There is no suggestion it is normal behavior even if it may sadly be encountered by a significant number of women and some men and may be normal in their lives. Despite statements such as 97% of women have experienced sexually harassment, does this mean the vast majority of men are sexual harassers and that sexual harassment behavior is normal, in other words has been normalized, or is it instead that a minority of men are sexual harassers but nearly every woman encounters one or more such men from time to time? The lyrics therefore do not normalize sexual violence of rape because rape is still deviant behavior and is not the normal behavior of most men in society. The lyrics therefore do not normalize rape and may not cause most people to agree with them.

The argument that this is normalized appears to be used particularly by groups of female campaigners against sexual harassment and rape culture that are given privileged access to appearances in the traditional media. It is not a neutral and objective position and does not appear to have any evidenced basis in fact that substantiates that the lyric has normalized rape as acceptable when in fact it still remains unacceptable and criminal (even if the low prosecution rates let alone conviction rates and the holding of rape stereotype myths by many in the population are an issue). There appears to be no source quoted that has alleged this lyric normalizes rape - the lyrics website referenced does not appear to describe the song lyrics in this way and no research evidence is provided giving any evidence of normalization actually happening.

The article also says another song contains "lyrics encouraging violence against women". Given the fact violence against women, certainly physical violence which I take this to include, is a criminal offence because violence against any human being is a crime and encouraging commission of a crime is also criminal, if the lyrics did encourage this crime then the person that has written the lyrics and caused their distribution ought to have been prosecuted for the criminal offence. However, the fact that there is no prosecution tells me that there is no evidence that proves the lyrics do encourage commission of criminal violence (itself a crime) and the allegation made in the article is therefore unsubstantiated. It is an opinion as to what lyrics may do but has not been proven in a court of law that establishes that they do encourage violence and is therefore not a fact.

As such it should not be stated as a fact that the song contains lyrics encouraging violence, because there is no proof the lyrics do encourage violence. Nor do I see anything to suggest that almost everyone would agree they do this and as such where is the Wikipedia Neutral Point of View? Some people may treat the lyrics as clearly exaggerated and intended for shock and would not take them as something to be doing in real life, even though songs may sometimes describe artists' real life experiences in which violence including violence against women is sadly a fact of life. Violence against women does occur, all too much, and is not something to be approved of but this is a morality argument and songs, including those intended to push boundaries of what some people think acceptable or to shock, can contain these lyrics because they may be pieces of fiction, may be comedy about things that some people think should not be subjects of comedy or may be true reflections of what people have done in their lives but to say this encourages most people to copy it or that it normalizes such behaviour hasn't been shown to be the case. aspaa (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Plan to improve from start to at least a C-class article

My WikiEdu students from pre-COVID times edited created this article. It needs improvement and reorganization. This NYTimes article would be a great framing device for the article or a new section about violence miscontrued in rap music lyrics by non celebrities. https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/21/us/politics/hip-hop-stars-support-mississippi-rapper-in-first-amendment-case.html

I am teaching another WikiEdu course in the Spring of 2024. Will make this a priority for collaborative editing. sheridanford (talk) 15:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Hip Hop 50

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