Talk:Palmer Luckey

Reddit feedback

Comments on this article were solicited on a reddit thread and extensive feedback was provided which helped to inform revisions to this article. It also brought in a couple anonymous editors. See thread for more info. Dcoetzee 02:12, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Edit. Nimble America was only attempted by him and was quickly shot down by the already thriving community. He in no way funded internet trolls. He may have tried but the community was off put by the premise. The subreddit called /r/the_donald was already one of the most active and subscribed subreddits long before this charity was even started. Here is a breakdown of exactly what happened. https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5460xn/nice_try_media_our_community_cannot_be_bought/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.150.169.96 (talk) 18:14, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

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Palmer Luckey is worth over half a billion dollars. He does not live with roommates. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HashtagWOKE (talk • contribs) 21:43, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

The source for living with roommates is a January 19, 2015 article from the Forbes website[1], stating that Luckey "lives with seven friends (all but one of them Oculus employees) in a shared house in tony Atherton he calls “The Commune,” where they spend hours playing massive multiplayer tournaments of videogames like Super Smash Bros." -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Nimble America

The now section on "Political activities" is way undue weight as of right now in scale with his history. Much of the primary source commentary needs to be scaled down in favor of secondary sources (that is, journalists writing about other reports rather than citing The Daily Beast and journalist opinions directly). I think it would be useful to collect the most important sources on the talk page rather than letting them get lost in the page history. Summaries of the industry reactions and fallout from the incident are most appropriate for whatever will ultimately remain in the article.  czar 06:07, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it has to go. All disputed [2]. --DHeyward (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

The donation is not disputed. To quote the article subject: "I contributed $10,000 to Nimble America". The reaction and commentary on the contribution, as shown in independent reliable sources, is also not disputed. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 18:06, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Can I just state, here in probably the least proper place for this since my time is valuable, I am a blog author who likes to use the valuable service you provide here at wiki, not a wiki editor in my own right - that it is increasingly and already incredibly annoying that any time there is any sort of noteworthy event, for months and months after the fact, I have to come to the talk page every single darn time to learn anything about it? Seriously. The only think you people do right any more is world war 2 or sonic the hedgehog articles. The web is an increasingly politically polar place, and we rely increasingly on wiki to get actual pertinent facts with as little in the way of personal editorializing as possible. I love what you do. I am not trying to knock everything you do right. But between what happened on this page and your deleting swaths of pertinent but politically sensitive information from science pages of all things - a gripe I will save for another time - I am struggling with the fact that I will have to find something to replace you. I know it doesn't matter to you lot as editors but I donate money regularly to the wiki and am very disappointed with the service I have been receiving these last few years in return. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.95.133.111 (talk) 02:06, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

And THAT said, thank you very much 1Wiki8 and DHeyward for leaving links to primary sources here in the talk page, at least coming here still works. I really hope I have even this fallback for at least a few years yet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.95.133.111 (talk) 02:08, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Workspace

• refs on Developer responses /
  • http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/23/13033268/palmer-luckey-trump-meme-fund-oculus-developers-respond
  • http://fortune.com/2016/09/24/palmer-lucky-backlash-oculus/ quote: "To understand the extremity of the response to Luckey’s political donation ... In other words, beyond supporting any particular candidate, Palmer Luckey has contributed, directly and knowingly, to the intentional degradation of American political discourse."
  • http://www.pcinvasion.com/orion-project-devs-support-oculus quote "With some developers wanting to distance themselves from Luckey, this is a different take on the situation."

• refs on Diversity program response
  • https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/palmer-luckey-oculus-diversity-program-members-dismayed
  • http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/oculus-diversity-fellows-struggle-with-cofounders-politics/

• refs on Luckey's response to Daily Beast Article
  • https://www.cnet.com/news/oculus-facebook-palmer-luckey-admits-nimble-america/
  • http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/09/24/oculus-founder-admits-to-ties-to-pro-trump-group.html
  • http://motherboard.vice.com/read/palmer-luckey-is-lying-to-somebody
  • https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/23/oculus-founder-responds-to-nimble-america-political-controvers/
  • https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/24/shitpost-your-idols/
  • http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/09/24/oculus-founder-admits-he-gave-10000-nimble-america/91013392/
  • http://www.businessinsider.com/palmer-luckey-facebook-apology-2016-9
  • http://venturebeat.com/2016/09/25/oculus-ceo-and-studio-chief-weigh-in-on-palmer-luckeys-apology/
  • http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/09/oculus-execs-defend-company-founder-amid-political-giving-controversy/
  • http://www.wired.co.uk/article/palmer-luckey-apologises-nimble-america-oculus
  • https://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-palmer-luckey-oculus-rift-lie-nimble-america/ quote: "And the truth is that Palmer Luckey -- the poster boy for a technology we've dreamed about for decades, the one we're trusting to build the future -- lied about what he did or didn't do."
  • http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/09/26/facebook-millionaire-luckey-aligns-himself-alt-right-but-only-if-you-squint/91132042/ quote: "And yet that laid-back California vibe masks right-leaning political views that have gotten Luckey into hot water of late, as some in the largely liberal tech sector call for the engineer’s head while developers vow to stop building programs for Oculus."
  • https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/27/vr-developers-oculus-rift-pro-trump-support quote: "Some developers were so appalled at Luckey’s actions that they pulled their support for Oculus, instead limiting their game releases to competitors including the Valve-backed HTC Vive and the Sony PlayStation VR."
  • https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2016/09/view-from-washington-palmer-luckey/ quote: "This weekend's rapid fall from grace of virtual reality (VR) pioneer Palmer Luckey shows again how dangerous the cult of personality is when it comes to high technology."
  • http://www.hngn.com/articles/208071/20160926/vr-game-developers-turn-away-oculus-palmer-luckey-suffers-backlash.htm quote: "Although many have acknowledged that Luckey is entitled to his own political actions, the backlash stems from the fact that his support and posting in "Nimble America" gives a clear view of his principles which seems to be grounded on racism, harassment, and cyberbullying."
  • http://www.businessinsider.com/palmer-luckey-jeopardizing-facebook-oculus-rift-2016-9 quote: "And this is where the issue of Luckey donating a relatively small sum of his millions to a political group becomes a liability for his employer, Facebook."

• Non-english coverage
  • http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2016/09/26/palmer-luckey-monsieur-realite-virtuelle-et-anomalie-politique-de-la-silicon-valley_5003611_4408996.html
  • http://tech.sina.com.cn/zl/post/detail/it/2016-09-30/pid_8508647.htm

• Other related topics:
  • Shitposting - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shitposting
  • Draft:Nimble America

removed section

Here is the section that was recently removed from this article:

Discuss... -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 18:08, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

User:DHeyward seems to think it is not good to discuss the actual text that they removed.[3]. I disagree, as collaborative editing is always best, and this talk page is a very good place to do it. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 07:38, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Diffs are fine. Repeating BLP violations anywhere on WP is not. --DHeyward (talk) 22:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

political views

For the section on Mr. Luckey's political views, he stated in a facebook posting: "I am a libertarian who has publicly supported Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in the past, and I plan on voting for Gary in this election as well." Primary source:[4] Independent sources:[5][6]. -- 1Wiki8........................... (talk) 09:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Updated net worth?

This article says Luckey's net worth was $730 million in 2016. I've been looking for newer sources for this. I've found two conflicting sources (neither of which look very credible).

• This site claims that his net worth is $1 billion in April 2020.
• This site claims that his net worth was $400 million in January 2020.

How credible are these sources? Does this justify updating the net worth on this article? Sebastian^{Talk | Contrib.} - 23:19, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Neither of them are credible, see the related CelebrityNetWorth (RSP entry) Hemiauchenia (talk) 22:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Huge gaps in history, bizarre structure

The structure of this article is bizarre and makes more sense as a corporate history than a Biography of a Living Person. The "Oculus VR" section of his career is almost entirely about things he did prior to Oculus VR, only the last sentence is about something that happened after their Kickstarter campaign. The entire "Facebook" section that covers his time as a Facebook executive has only two sections, one detailing a lawsuit that ended in early 2017 and another for his firing later in 2017. The result is a nearly five-year gap, with practically no information about anything that happened between mid-2012 and mid-2017 when he founded Anduril. 2600:1700:5970:8800:A508:7B21:529A:CC20 (talk) 00:44, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Did Palmer Luckey write this article?

Overall tone is of himself talking about what a great guy he is, including inane childish shit like his cool gaming pc. The tone is completely inappropriate and makes me think npov problem. 86.16.183.159 (talk) 09:02, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

To add to article

Shouldn't this article mention the notable fact that Congressman Matt Gaetz is married to Ginger Luckey, Palmer Luckey's sister? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 04:10, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Religion 70.93.170.154 (talk) 01:53, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Puck news removed

Puck news is not a reliable source for this type of content and most of what you added @Dcpoliticaljunkie has been debunked by the person in question. https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1791262690519978329 Ergzay (talk) 11:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing these Tweets to my attention. Due respect, a reliable secondary source like Puck is trusted over a primary source per WP:PRIMARY.

Also, note that Puck reports his sister is married to Matt Gaetz which Wired also reported. If it reported that he is married to Gaetz' sister, it has since corrected the article which is what reliable outlets do. He also writes that he has never met his sister in law, a claim that seems unlikely, and it seems more likely that he has a bone to pick against Puck for reporting that his family participated in the Jan 6 insurrection. He also points out that Newport Beach is 400 miles from Silicon Valley which is neither here nor there given that they talk about his planned fundraiser in a separate section.

If the current Puck article is incorrect, we should impeach it with other reliable secondary sources not simply dismissing things because the subject disagrees. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 14:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I added that he disputed that he plans to hold a fundraiser. Time will tell. Dcpoliticaljunkie (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Dcpoliticaljunkie Puck is not a reliable secondary source. It's not referenced at WP:RSPSOURCES, ergo it can be removed without discussion if including it is controversional because this is a WP:BLP page. Please do not re-add changes that were reverted that are still under discussion. Ergzay (talk) 11:49, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I quote:

All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by an inline citation to a reliable, published source. Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—must be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.

Ergzay (talk) 11:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

As further evidence that the source is unreliable, they've since edited out of their article almost all of the claims that you originally added to this wikipedia article. I'd advise not using them for any other article on Wikipedia as they seem to have a very low bar for verifying their sources. They're a form of tabloid journalism. Ergzay (talk) 12:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)