Talk:Oriental Film/GA1

Latest comment: 10 years ago by Crisco 1492 in topic GA Review

GA Review

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Reviewer: Seattle (talk · contribs) 16:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

I will review this soon. Seattle (talk) 16:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Comments:
  • Starring Njoo's wife Fifi Young, I'm not familiar with naming variations per country but per WP:SURNAME he should be "Seng"; he's Chinese and that's not an exception at the aforementioned page.
  • worked with the Miss Riboet's Orion before can you add "theatrical troupe" after "Miss Riboet's Orion" for context?
  • Are there any critical reviews for Kris Mataram?
  • Do you have a reference for note "D"?
  • This film, starring Dhalia and Soerip to star, not quite
  • Why were the films deliberately destroyed?
  • If you can explain to me how Oriental Film is itself notable, that would be great. WP:INHERITORG states that "an organization is not notable merely because a notable person or event was associated with it"; please explain.
    • Well, aside from the significant coverage of the company itself (Biran dedicates three pages, and has further content scattered through his book), all of the films are notable (which is part of WP:AUTHOR, something I believe applies here as well: a company as a legal person as a creator of "... a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of ... multiple independent periodical articles or reviews."). The company wasn't an international juggernaut like Coca Cola, but it was significant throughout the colony, as evidenced by the reviews from Batavia to Surabaya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
      • There are also articles in Pertjatoeran Doenia dan Film (a contemporary film magazine) about the end of Oriental, but I have not used them because Biran gives the same information. If you'd rather I cite those, that's fine, but since the magazine is so hard to come across (and Biran's book is much easier) I figure it helps our readers to cite Biran. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
        • I would prefer that you sprinkle in those references along with Biran, because I don't buy that a "dedicated" three pages equals notability (or that Wikipedia has promulgated a guideline similar to corporate personhood; the distinction between corporations and people is quite clear on Wikipedia.) I don't doubt that the various movies, actresses, and other affiliations are notable, but if that's the defense to the question of Oriental Film's notability, then you're misapplying the concept. Seattle (talk) 01:49, 9 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
            • I've added two refs to Pertjatoeran Doenia dan Film and one to Sin Po; the latter goes into considerable detail about Oriental renting the ANIF studio and includes a picture. Despite the non-indicative name, it's entirely about Oriental. I can send you the scan if you want. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)Reply
              • That's fine. The link you provide goes to a blurb about Kris Mataram under the masthead Soerabaijasch Handelsblad, not Sin Po. That's the link in our article, too. Otherwise, I want to give some time to make sure that everything is accurate, because I can't read the language, and because some factual changes have occurred over the review. After that, I feel like this meets GA criteria. Seattle (talk) 11:55, 9 August 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. Seattle (talk) 19:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)Reply