Talk:Organization of Turkic States

Hungary

Any information on why Hungary is affiliated? Afaik Hungary has no connection, linguistically (Finno-Ugric), ethnically or culturally (other than fighting the Ottomans) to the Turkic cultural realm. Without a little background information on this, the article is incomplete IMHO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:16B8:2E24:6F00:54A7:EBAB:890C:2554 (talk) 06:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

• You can get some information on "Hungarian Turanism" page.--Joseph (talk) 15:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan

Could someone please add an explanation why these two Turkic countries have not joined the Council. Davshul (talk) 16:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering why they have their own colour on the map, but with no explanation as to their status and what that colour means. Varlaam (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I had forgotten that I had noticed this problem back in November.

Still no resolution.

Varlaam (talk) 02:34, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Two main reasons

Ottoman (talk)

It can be told about two main reasons in this subject

1) In 1995, An assassination attempt to Karimov, common relevance of Turkish marginal religionists-nationalists groups with this event. (but you should search for the reason of attempt)

2) In 2005, after suppressing by Karimov of Andican events/uprising that the US supports, Turkey was the first condemnating country against to Karimov before Europe done. (but you should search for the reason of uprising) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.132.61.23 (talk) 14:03, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

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Nakhchivan and Xinjiang

I wonder if the section National Autonomous Republics with Turkic ethnos (older title: Not sovereign Turkic countries) lists an official data or an opinion. If the later is true the list should also include Nakhchivan and Xinjiang. I am waiting for the feedbacks.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:19, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Summits

Will be added. The last one here Native speaker contribution would be appreciated. --E4024 (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

992 Summit: The Summit took place in Ankara hosted by the President of the Republic of Turkey Turgut Ozal with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Ebulfez Elchibey, the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of Republic of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. At the end of the Summit the Declaration was signed.

Turkish President Turgut Özal attached special importance to establishing a trade pattern enabling free movement of persons, goods and services by means of harmonization of customs legislation in the Turkic states, founding a regional investment and development bank, increasing capacities of railway, road and air transportation and telecommunications, transporting natural resources of the Turkic states to Europe through the territory of Turkey, strengthening cooperation and coordination aimed at integration into the world economy.

1994 Summit: The Summit took place in Istanbul hosted by the President of the Republic of Turkey Suleyman Demirel with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev, the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of Republic of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. The Istanbul Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit.

1995 Summit: The Summit took place in Bishkek hosted by the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev, the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Republic of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov, the President of the Republic of Turkey, Suleyman Demirel and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. Bishkek Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit.

1996 Summit: The Summit took place in Tashkent hosted by the President of Uzbekistan Republic Islam Karimov with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev, the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of the Republic of Turkey Suleyman Demirel and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. Tashkent Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit. During the Summit it was also agreed that the Permanent Secretariat would be established.

1998 Summit: The Summit took place in Astana hosted by the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of Uzbekistan Republic Islam Karimov, the President of the Republic of Turkey Suleyman Demirel and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. Astana Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit. The Permanent Secretariat Statute was adopted at this Summit.

2000 Summit: The Summit took place in Baku hosted by the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev with the participation of the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of the Republic of Uzbekistan Islam Karimov, the President of the Republic of Turkey Suleyman Demirel and the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov. Baku Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit. As indicated in the Declaration the Permanent Secretariat decided to be located in Turkey.

2001 Summit: The Summit took place in Istanbul hosted by the President of the Republic of Turkey Ahmet Necdet Sezer, with the participation of the President of Azerbaijan Republic Haydar Aliyev, the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev, the President of Turkmenistan Saparmurad Niyazov and the Speaker of the Parliament of the Republic of Uzbekistan Erkin Khalilov. Istanbul Declaration was signed at the end of the Summit.

Within the framework of the Summits the President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev proposed to establish the Council of Elders and also the Parliamentary Assembly of Turkic Speaking Countries. The creation of a Permanent Secretariat of the Summit has been proposed by the President of Kyrgyz Republic Askar Akayev.

2006 Summit: As a result of initiatives by Turkish side, the Summit took place in Antalya after 5.5 years hosted by the President of the Republic of Turkey Ahmet Necdet Sezer. Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Kyrgyzstan participated in this event at the level of Heads of State. Turkmenistan was represented by Ambassador to Ankara. Uzbekistan did not participate in the Summit. The President of Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev reiterated his proposals made in 2001.

2009 Summit: The Summit took place in Nakhchivan on 2-3 October, 2009, hosted by the President of Azerbaijan Republic Ilham Aliyev. The President of the Republic of Turkey Abdullah Gül, the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev and the President of Kyrgyz Republic Kurmanbek Bakiyev participated. Turkmenistan was represented at the level of the Vice President and Uzbekistan did not attend.

The Nakhchivan Agreement on Establishment of the Council of Cooperation of Turkic Speaking States was signed during the Summit. (The Nakhchivan Agreement was signed to establish the Cooperation Council of Turkic-Speaking States within the summit of Turkic States' leaders.) The Nahichivan Agreement approved by Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan entered into force on November 17, 2010. Turkmenistan has not been party to the Agreement.

2010 Summit: The Summit was organized in Istanbul on September 15-16, 2010, hosted by the President of Turkish Republic Abdullah Gul. President of the Republic of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev, President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev, President of the Kyrgyz Republic Roza Otunbayeva and President of Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov participated at the Summit. Uzbekistan was absent at the Summit.

Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States, the establishment of which was agreed during the 2009 Summit by Nakhchivan Agreement, had been founded in the structure including Council of Heads of State, Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs, Committee of High Level Officials, Council of Elders and the Secretariat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burcu Korkmaz (talk • contribs) 11:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Dead ends?

Is there a reason this is in Category:Dead-end pages from October 2013, even though it doesn't have the dead-end tag? MostRecentUser (talk) 21:13, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

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Organization of Turkic States

According to the Turkish news of Anadolu agency, which is Turkish state owned news agency, Turkish minister of foreign affairs announced that Turkic Council's name has changed into "Organization of Turkic States". I think this page has to be transferred to that name aswell. news BerkBerk68 (talk) 17:59, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Beshogur may i ask why did you reverted the name change without giving any reason? BerkBerk68 (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

not only Anadolu Agency but many Turkish state-owned media organizations (such as Turkish Radio and Television Corporation and its subsidiaries) are confirming the news. I don't understand the reason of revert due to you did not explain. If i don't get any answers, I will move the page again. BerkBerk68 (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@BerkBerk68: stop edit warring on changing the names pure based on its Turkish form and only a news of daily sabah. The official website still refers to itself as the Turkic Council.[1], which its official name is "Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States", so most probably this name will change and Turkic Council will remain. So stop edit warring and change the names in past. Beshogur (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@Beshogur: I guess you are not reading things i write. I did not even referred "Daily Sabah" as my source, I referred directly state owned Turkish media. here, here and here. Also Çavuşoğlu's speech at meeting, as its visible and hearable directly from himself, is also here. BerkBerk68 (talk) 20:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@BerkBerk68: As I said, the name Turkic Council most likely doesn't go anywhere. It's current "long name" will change, because it contains "Turkic-speaking states" instead of Turkic states. Also I am aware of that from months ago[2]. So please, asking to move the page back to its original title, and we'll see if an official announcement by the Turkic Council themselves is made in English. And, even if Turkic Council name is changed (it wont, you can not simply remove, for example: 7th summit of the Turkic Council, because back then its name was not "Organization of Turkic States". Beshogur (talk) 20:54, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay. I am not going to touch or respond any edits that is being done until tomorrow. I assume that everything would be clarified tomorrow and I will act and edit according to the results of tomorrow's summit. Thanks for negotiating BerkBerk68 (talk) 21:09, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

@BerkBerk68: and @Anlztrk: I would wait more for an official name change if "Turkic Council" is changed. Erdogan says "our council's name is changed", considering that's not the long name, so I assume "Cooperation Council of Turkic-Speaking States" is changed, but let's wait. Beshogur (talk) 15:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Beshogur: I was just adding a new comment about it here, got the alert about someone edited since you started writing. "Today, Erdogan announced that the council's name will be transferred into "Organization of Turkic States" by saying "Our council's name is now Organization of Turkic States", however, none of the social medias of Organization has changed its name or even its official name." I also asked about should we move the page back or just wait until everything clarifies at the end of my comment. I guess your opinion is waiting just like mine, but its obvious that either official name or both changed. When we find out about the situation, we could edit according to the confirmed knowledge. BerkBerk68 (talk) 16:02, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

First time a Turkish state owned establishment -Turkey's Directorate of Communications- used the term "Organization of Turkic States" in English. Organization's official account retweeted the tweet. I don't know if its important or not but, i thought it wouldn't be bad to mention this. BerkBerk68 (talk) 16:35, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@Beshogur: I would like to mention that I saw a comment of Turkic Council official account in twitter, saying that they will change name of their official accounts in several days. So I think we shouldn't revert the page fastly, we should wait several days since this comment + Erdogan and Çavuşoğlu announced that the official name is "Organization of Turkic States" and the organization is being spreaded under this name in media fastly. BerkBerk68 (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Binali Yıldırım's Turkish tweet: https://twitter.com/BY/status/1459175840353292296 "Turkic Council's name turned into Organization of Turkic States" BerkBerk68 (talk) 21:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

@BerkBerk68: Why didn't the logo change? It can be that Turkic Council stays, but the "Organization of Turkic States" is the long official name. If they keep continue to use the Turkic Council on their logo, etc. We should move it back to Turkic Council page per wp:commonname. Beshogur (talk) 23:09, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Anon: The organisation mentions the name change on its own official website: https://www.turkkon.org/en/haberler/eighth-summit-of-the-organization-of-turkic-states-was-held-in-istanbul_2394 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:8108:95BF:AEF8:2030:85:3F96:269D (talk) 06:47, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

TBH I really don't have any idea. I think they are either designing or waiting to change the logo. Just google "Organization of Turkic States" and many media groups (majority Turkish state owned) say "Turkic Council changed to Turkic States Organization" already and also official twitter account changed its name aswell. Also unrelated but, could you please check talk page of organization's map? BerkBerk68 (talk) 08:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes looks like the logo did change as well. Beshogur (talk) 11:46, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

@Anlztrk: BerkBerk68 see this: 1. Decided to change the name of the “Cooperation Council of Turkic Speaking States” to the “Organization of Turkic States” as I told. Beshogur (talk) 15:47, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah the official name is changed, but widely used name is also changed. widely used name was being used at ex-symbol and the ex social media accounts, now all the official social media accounts changed its name and picture into the ones with new name BerkBerk68 (talk) 16:26, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

@Beshogur: https://www.turkkon.org/en/haberler/to-the-kind-attention-of-guests-of-our-web-site_2397

I added both names to "formerly called". Also could someone upload the new logo? Beshogur (talk) 16:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Great! it is a good feeling to cooperate with an important wikipedia editor. I would upload the new logo but sadly I couldn't find one with HD resolution. I also replaced the word "Turkic Council" with "Organization of Turkic States" in the article, but didn't touch the old events and summits. BerkBerk68 (talk) 19:36, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Chairmen list

Could anyone expand the list? So before Aliyev, it was Jeenbekov, but couldn't find the exact dates, and before Nazarbayev, etc. Beshogur (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

• Hi @Beshogur:, I've couldnt find the dates so, I updated missing chairmen according to article 8 of the Nakhcivan agreement.--Joseph (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Official Languages

Do we have sources on official languages list? Hungarian language is pretty used officially at the OTS, it is existing at everywhere where the other languages exist, there is even an official hungarian website that other members dont specifically have (turkkon.hu). Turkmen language is also being used officially aswell, but especially Hungarian has a serious importance on the formality for the Turkic States especially when we consider the European office of the Organization is at Hungary. BerkBerk68^talk 18:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

This would be WP:OR. By official languages, we mean official languages of member countries. As working language, English is listed. (Not sure if Turkish is a working language as well). Beshogur (talk) 19:55, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I mean, "we mean" doesn't make sense to me, like do we have official or unofficial sources? I have checked official website and I couldn't find. BerkBerk68^talk 21:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Well, I think that's the purpose. Otherwise we can just leave the working languages. Beshogur (talk) 05:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

"The working languages of the CCTS are the state languages of the Parties and the English language" according to Nakhcivan agreement. I believe that this document is still valid after CCTS became OTS.--Joseph (talk) 13:36, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I mean, "parties" according to what? Should we count observer states? BerkBerk68 (talk) 19:18, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

• Parties sign agreements, observers don't.--Joseph (talk) 17:34, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Page too long to navigate

Basically what my title says, the page could use some trimming to make is shorter while maintaining all the useful information that have been added by other editors. S.G ReDark (talk) 03:20, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Kiev?

Ukraina is not an member nor an observer so why Kiev is counted as one of the political center? 2402:800:629C:54A3:31B6:E27B:C9C8:2C63 (talk) 16:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

The explanation is just below; in the notes. Kyiv is where the Turkic Diaspora Center is located. Imperadors (talk) 13:57, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

Nevertheless, Ukraine is not part of the association - and the Turkic diaspora lives in the annexed Crimea. where appropriate is Uzbekistan . which is not allowed to deposit DIII2000 (talk) 23:04, 5 November 2023 (UTC)