Talk:Oakleaf Plantation, Florida

CamelCase

MOS:TM says "CamelCase may be used where it reflects general usage and makes the trademark more readable". The media mostly uses Oakleaf, but the big decorative sign says OakLeaf. See also: Talk:Land O' Lakes, Florida#Correct spelling of Land O' Lakes Seems like a judgment call to me. --NE2 18:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Florida

Adding the state to the title is unnecessary. For one thing, there's no other article titled Oakleaf Plantation on Wikipedia, so disambiguation isn't needed. For another, this isn't a town or even one community or Census-Designated Place, it's a property development going into two different communities. Part of it is essentially a neighborhood of Jacksonville, Florida, meaning the proper disambiguation - if it were needed - for that area would be Oakleaf Plantation (Jacksonville). Another part is in unincorporated Clay County, Florida. This is a case where rigid adherence to WP:USPLACE makes things substantially more confusing.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:32, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It's a standard place name for a large suburban development. Compare Hunter's Creek, Florida, which has been around long enough to be a CDP. --NE2 14:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

No, part of Oakleaf Plantation is a CDP, but another part of it is an individual neighborhood of Jacksonville, Florida. That part will never be a CDP since it's in Jacksonville. "Oakleaf Plantation, Florida" doesn't work for that part of the development any more than "Chinatown, California" works for Chinatown, San Francisco. Forcing a standard convention here just makes things more confusing.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:31, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Florida neighborhood articles don't typically use pre-emptive disambiguation, hence Riverside and Avondale, Brickell, and Ybor City.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

This isn't a neighborhood of Jacksonville; it's a suburban community that crosses a county line. It only intersects Jacksonville because of the city-county merger. PS: Nocatee, St. Johns County, Florida. --NE2 17:03, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It is in Jacksonville in that it's, well, within the city limits of Jacksonville. Part of it anyway. Nocatee requires disambiguation because there's another Nocatee, this article doesn't require disambiguation, and adding it just creates more confusion than solves.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

There's no confusion about "Oakleaf Plantation, Florida". It's a community in Florida named Oakleaf Plantation. Go tilt at other windmills. --NE2 17:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

No thanks, as one of the more active Wikipedia editors in this topic area I'd rather solve the matter at hand. What problem is this preemptive disambiguation supposed to be solving here?--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:13, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Consistency, as described at WP:USPLACE and WP:PRECISION. --NE2 20:04, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:PRECISION says to be no more precise than necessary to identify the subject. There's also WP:CONCISE, and the naming isn't consistent with the way most neighborhood articles are titled. I guess it's time for an RM.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

It pretty clearly says that "adding the state name is in deference to common name, not disambiguation". This is not a neighborhood, despite your misinformation. --NE2 23:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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No need to get testy. It's definitely the case that part of this development is part of Jacksonville, and part of it is in a separate county where it's a separate CDP.-Cúchullain ^t/c 03:37, 7 April 2015 (UTC)