Talk:Northern Wei
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the map is not correct
editNorthern Wei territory is much much larger, more go into the interior of Mongolia and included Korea, the Northern Wei's Great wall can still be seen. please see Great Wall of China in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.187.20 (talk • contribs)
- What is clear is that Northern Wei's territory never extended into Korea or Mongolia. Korea (and Liaoning Peninsula) were then ruled by Goguyreo, and Inner/Outer Mongolia was then ruled by Rouran. --Nlu (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
Names
editIn the Chinese Wikipedia, Xianbei name was used until Emperor Xiaowen. Perhaps the same format could be used. Olorin28 04:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
- That's what I'm planning on doing. The only reason why I was hesitating is because, in all traditional Chinese historical works, you're going to find, again, Zhangsun instead of Baba, Mu instead of Qiumuling, &c. The Tuoba/Yuan distinction is easy; it's figuring out all of the equivalencies that's tricky for the reader. --Nlu (talk) 05:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Cleanup & More info
editI'm going to add more info to this page =) - Zhang Guo Lao 19:43, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Northern Wei's identification with China (Zhongguo and Huaren)
editThe Xianbei Northern Wei called their own state as "China" (Zhongguo) and sought to portray themselves as Hua ren or Zhongguoren, and started calling the original inhabitants of China by the name "Han ren" so they could be lay claim to the identity of "Hua ren" so "Hua" would not be a monopoly of the Han people.
http://scholar.harvard.edu/files/elliott/files/critical_han_studies_ch8_elliott.pdf
Because the Xianbei could not claimed to be Han and could not make up a fictional genealogy tracing themselves to Han dynasty people, they went further back in Chinese history claimed themselves to be descendants of the Yellow Emperor.
The Xianbei claimed to be related to the Chinese through descent by the Yellow Emperor
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Because his forces were victorious in this battle, the Yellow Emperor's clan came to be known by the surname of "Bear" (Youxiongshi). The Weishu also states that the Xianbei were descended from one of the sons of the Yellow Emperor, ...
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They have a fanciful history complete with legends claiming the Yellow Emperor as one of their ancestors.2 Although much of Xianbei culture is similar to that of the Xiongnu, there are distinct differences.' Xianbei burials commonly contain a ...
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The Taba Xianbei, however, disliked the idea that they were mixed blood of the Han and Xiongnu. Instead, they traced their ancestry to the Chinese legendary Yellow Emperor (Huangdi H^?, the symbol of "earth" of the Five Elements) in order ...
The Non-Han Emperors equated their state with the concept of China(中國).[1] Non-Han rulers expanded the definition of "China" to include non-Han peoples in addition to Han people, whenever they ruled China.[2] Yuan, Jin, and Northern Wei documents indicate the usage of "China" by dynasties to refer to themselves began earlier than previously thought.[3]
- Zhao, Gang (January 2006). "Reinventing China: Imperial Qing Ideology and the Rise of Modern Chinese National Identity in the Early Twentieth Century" (PDF). Volume 32 (Number 1). Sage Publications. doi:10.1177/0097700405282349. JSTOR 20062627. Archived from the original on 25 March 2014. Retrieved 23 May 2014.
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The Xianbei called yogurt (their own ethnic food) as a food of Zhongguo.
Zhongguo
Food
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