Talk:Non nobis solum

Deletion

Yeah this article is not great, and probably should be deleted, but for the sake of consistency if you're going to delete this one about 50% of the articles in the category latin mottos should go too. Sparkleyone 01:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah this article should be deleted! It's too short! --MacintoshApple 03:27, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I disagree. If anything, it should include a wider search for the use--including such organizations as the (proudly decommissioned/removed from service/deactivated) 390th Strategic Missile Wing (SMW) which had 18 Titan II ICBMs (9 megaton nuclear warheads) surrounding Tucson. They were built to deter and not attack, and the individuals who manned, maintained, enforced for safety, and removed them, did so for the security of our nation. Not for self-aggrandizement. They sacrificed family, labor, danger (reactive liquid space booster propellants not including the thermonuclear weapon), and outright death. All to ensure western Europe did not suffer the fate of its sibling eastern European nations. All to help make sure that the Soviet Union would never launch its nuclear weapons at the USA. Not for us, but for common humanity of freedom from tyranny. In rough translation, "Not for ourselves alone." Iesas (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I do not agree, this article is more concise than some of the other articles in the Latin mottos category, and fits the meaning of motto better than many of the mottos in the category. I think this article deserves to stay. payxystaxna 16:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes! In fact, it needs to be larger--at least to reference other related sites that cover the uses of the Latin phrase (which is used quite normally used in the translation to the native tongue"). Iesas (talk) 13:55, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Please leave this article... It and many other of the Latin mottoes articles have proved useful.

I'm also against deletion! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.243.114.13 (talk) 17:07, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Here, here! Total agreement. Iesas (talk) 13:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Marxism Leninism

Is his somehow related to Marxism-Leninism? The idea that individuals should contribute to society opposed to selfishly doing things only for themselves? Wikidudeman ^(talk) 00:08, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I may be presuming here, but wow... talk about trying to pigeon-hold something into contemporary political extremes. Cicero said this over 2000 years ago. How could it be related to Marxist-Leninism? Your comment sounds like you're wanting to be sure that its not some "darn anti-American, commie" motto? How dare those ancient Romans! and by the way, I hear that early Christians had some pinko ideas too... some Sermon on the Mount about turning the other cheek and not being selfish. *grin* Just take it at face value and use it as you want. Tfleming 16:32, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The Philosophy of Marx didn't just pop out of thin air when he wrote it out. He was inspired by philosophies and writings from around the world. The idea of Marxism-Leninism is to devote your work and time to the community (hence communism) opposed to yourself. This seems to be what Non Nobis Solum is asserting. I'll try to find a source to see if Marx took any of his philosophy from Cicero. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 16:40, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you'll find many latter day philosophers were influenced, in radically different ways, by Cicero and other ancients. Their use or interpretation of Cicero's teachings means little in regard to what Cicero himself meant. In the same way, Marx's views has been interpreted differently by his ideological successors. So, related? Perhaps but only with a stretch of imagination and by accepting Marx's view that its related. Others would disagree and their view is equally valid. Tfleming 13:51, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Well said. I would add the imperialistic nature of the Soviet. Not Marxist, but instead its translation into Communism. Communism is not National as in "Nazi", but it's the *International* Socialistic government which was originally the ally of the Nazis.

A representative Republic is the diastema of Marxism. The Oligarchy, control by the few, and a all-controlling Stalin, is key to both--and that is *not* the concept of the representative government of the Roman Republic (as opposed to Rome's first government by a King, and it's last as led by Caesars, the *Emperors* of the Roman Empire).As many know, our system of (USA) government is actually based on Rome.

Rome had an upper and lower chambers of its style of Congress. In fact, the very front of the Senate assembly area has two large axes bundled in sticks on either side of the President Pro Temp podium. These are "Fasces" which are emblematic of the bonding of public unity, and they preceded each official in procession. Even our American coins carry the motto of "E Pluribus Unum."

Of course, btw, none of these Roman phrases make any sense without the spirit of sacrifice for the good of others, or (loosely translated) "Not for ourselves alone." Notably the military (and fire, police, or medicine in the face of infectious disease and pandemics) of all times and ages, of free nations, exemplify this spirit directly through the willingness to sacrifice their very lives for the good of fellow citizens. To do things freely, as in a non-Socialist, and so-called Marxist, nation.

Bottom line: Marx never espoused the spirit of the motto abbreviated and emblazed across all Roman structures and military armor, "SPQR". Translated that means "The *Senate* and *People* of Rome." Iesas (talk) 14:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Kennedy's quote

"Don't ask what the country does for you but what you can do for your country" (JFK) goes in that direction. Should we quote that in the article? --77.4.65.20 (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

East High in Salt Lake

This is also the motto of East High School in salt lake city — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.127.196.22 (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Gillotts School in Henley, UK

Also has this motto: https://gillotts.org.uk/