Talk:Nocturnes, Op. 9 (Chopin)

Deletion

This article should be deleted. It has no information aside from the obvious, and its contents can be placed in the proposed form on Talk:Nocturne in G Minor. It is unexpandable, unsourced, and not in the least bit useful. Not to mention, poorly written (with capitalization errors in the first line). --Chopin-Ate-Liszt! 21:43, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think we need this article, but it has a long way to go before being covered properly. I've added a straightforward musical summary.--Alf ^melmac 22:29, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for my page!Chopin's the first nocturne is very polite and intellectual.In Japanese-wiki,we can find the (article).Please check the useful conference in Japanese-wiki!--Naotyan 1 June 2007

Nocturne Op. 9, No. 1

The first section had been described as "light", and the middle section as "sterner". These are personal opinions (with which I feel certain most pianists would disagree).

Of course, it might be possible to describe the "character" of the music, if agreed by concensus. Prof.rick (talk) 07:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

The word "brilliant" has been removed from the end of the paragraph concerning E-flat major, Op. 9, No. 2 simply because even if it is intended to literally describe the brilliance of the closing melody (in the same way one might describe a diamond's shine or a firework display as visually brilliant) it would most likely be confused by readers as a bias. Hope this helped.

Glitch with page

Why does it have three links to the Japanese translation? 122.58.115.32 (talk) 06:24, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Dynamics incorrect in closing bars of 2nd Nocturne

At the end, a fortisimmo crescendos to a .... forte!

Most editions give no dynamic indication at that spot, but to place a forte there is ironic, as a crescendo from fortisimmo shouldn't end like that. Jasper Deng (talk) 02:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it's meant you're supposed to start really soft at the trill thing.

Jasonxu98 (talk) 01:34, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Publishers indicate no dynamic in the beginning, and I've always heard it played loud.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:44, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Nocturnes in Film

Dear Chopin lovers. I have made a conrtibution which was speedily deleted three times by Jasper Deng, citing lack of sources. My futile protests and 'personal attack' has led to warnings of 3RR rule and a block. Please help me here, by pointing any sources, or revewing (correcting)my edit,

 In Film

• Exodus (1960 film) Nurse Katherine "Kitty" Fremont (Eva Marie Saint) has a conversation with Gen. Sutherland (Ralph Richardson) about the fate of Jewish internees, in around 1947 Famagusta, Cyprus with a background drone of Nocturne Op. 9, No. 2.
• 127 Hours (2010 biographical adventure film) The scene begins some years earlier in family home with Aron's younger sister rehearsing Nocturne. After several days of hopelessly being pinned by a boulder in a canyon, Aron Ralston (James Franco), dehydrated, delusional, and believing he is going to die, reminisces his past to the out-of-this-world bliss of Nocturne.

If someone has an issue with this, please correct. And let's post this edit.

Well first, you need to cite your sources, and make the summaries less detailed.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

OK, this helps the 2nd movie, but the first is not supported by any of the results I found while googling.Jasper Deng (talk) 16:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I will use your found source, thank you, and make a less-detailed summary. I will re-enter my edit then. The Exodus film, however, I also could not find online Chopin reference, but its there. Its an older film, and not much perhaps left online. I can enter an unsourced contribution based on factual observation, and that is not a BLH, doubtful, nor a controvercial subject. I think Chopin in film is preatty benigh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerjojo98 (talk • contribs) 02:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that we cannot take original research (i.e. your own observations).Jasper Deng (talk) 02:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

WordPress is also not a reliable source. How about this ref? Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I need someone's help to fix the http//: link that appeared. Need to hide it. Dont know how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerjojo98 (talk • contribs) 03:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I have cleaned up the section and replaced the ref found by Jasper with the ref I found above. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:11, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Eagles 24/7 for that speedy clean-up. I hope all bureaucracies work as well as you do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerjojo98 (talk • contribs) 03:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Eagles 24/7 (C) 03:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you Jasper and Eagles 24/7 for your grace in allowing my edit. During the last couple of days I learned some ropes about editing and sourcing material. About the Exodus film, my unsourced comment should be allowed to stay, for, the policy allows unsourced material if it is a factual observation, is uncontested for accuracy, is not dealing with a BLP, not a controversial subject. The fiml by Leon Uris may deal with a very controvercial subject, [[1]], but film's music is certanly not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigerjojo98 (talk • contribs) 03:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

WP:OR does not permit that - see WP:Verifiability - it's what's verifiable, not always what's true.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:These are not original research#Works of fiction. It is unlikely that there will ever be a published source stating that this musical piece was featured in Exodus, so the movie is a primary source and one can just view the movie to verify that it was featured in that specific part of the movie. Eagles 24/7 (C) 19:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

This piece has been used a lot in film and other pieces of popular culture. Only one of the current examples is sourced. As I see it, it should be all or none.99.113.254.131 (talk) 12:03, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems the SMBC comic mentioned in the popular culture section on no. 2 actually contains images of Nocturne no. 1. This can be seen by comparing the left hands and key signatures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.1.16.72 (talk) 04:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

In popular culture

I've removed the entire In popular culture and In popular music sections. After I had removed all unsourced/not verified by the source cited/OR/self-sourced (see this RfC) the list was reduced to a single entry: 127 Hours (2010)

I found this remaining entry trivial enough to remove it as well, because it speaks nothing about the importance of Nocturnes to popular culture but is just another fleeting reference (see MOS:POPCULT).

References

Mapeh

Reflection about Nocturne Op. 9 No. 1 in B minor 49.145.189.2 (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Mapeh

Reflection about Nocturne Op. 9 No. 1 in B minor 49.145.189.2 (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

video?

WikiOrchestra

There's a video available of the WikiOrchestra performing this piece during the closing ceremony of Wikimania. Is that a good addition to the article? 1Veertje (talk) 15:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)