Talk:Nick Solak

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Nick Solak/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:45, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

• Lead doesn't adequately cover the article content; needs expansion.
• "Solak married his girfriend, Roxanne McVey, on November 20, 2021" - I'm not finding this in the provided source; where is it located on the page?
• Do any sources mention if he was regarded as a prospect in high school?
• What position did he play in high school and college?
• The college career information is very uneven - we get a fair bit about his freshman year, but nothing about his sophomore year and very little about his junior year. We should be getting some detail for his sophomore year and definitely more for his junior year, since he was an All-American that year. In the internet age, that generally leads to decent coverage
• "He made his professional debut with the Staten Island Yankees" - source says this was expected, not that it actually occurred
• "Solak maintained a batting average over .300 the entire season for the Tampa Yankees," - ambiguous phrasing. This could mean either than his full-season batting average was over .300 or that his batting average was above .300 the entire time; recommend rephrasing
• For baseball articles at GA level or above, you need to link/explain the triple slash numbers, as they're not all that common outside of baseball/softball
• For all of the various minor league teams, you'll want to indicate what level of the minors the team is at
• "Solak finished the 2019 season hitting .293/.393/.491 with 5 home runs and 17 RBI over 33 games for Texas." - source following this just covers the spring speed, you need to add the general stats link as well
• "In 2020 Solak played at a variety of positions, as well as being a designated hitter. " - not seeing this in source?
• "(a tie for the club lead with Isiah Kiner-Falefa)" - not in source
• There need to be some sort of coverage for the 2022 season besides just saying that he was optioned to AAA
• Did he make the Opening Day roster in 21 or 22?
• There's a ton of missing coverage here. The article is quite thin on detail in most places. This contains some good coverage about his earlier career, the " "Naperville North grad Nick Solak wastes no time signing with New York Yankees"" source contains more detail about his college career, etc.
• Per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_44#The_Baseball_Cube_links, I don't think the Baseball Cube is great to use as a source
• I don't believe that mlbtraderumors is a great source for GA-level content
• His career statistics are not cited
• His middle name is never cited
• His handedness is never cited

That's a first pass from me. Once these are addressed, I'll go over it again. Hog Farm _Talk 01:33, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Hog Farm, several facts are cited at Solak's MLB profile page : "Solak married... November 2021" and the statement on Kiner-Falefa can be fount if you click on the "View more bio info" on the left, under Solak's photo. The MLB profile also cites his middle name (immediately under Solak's photo in bold), handedness (immediately to the left of 2B), and career statistics in a box. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I should've remember that more bio tab from when I worked on Brooks Pounders ... It looks like it contains a fair bit of information for Solak that should be included in the article such as "ranked by MLB.com as the No. 5 second base prospect following the season…ranked by Baseball America as the No. 14 prospect in the Florida State League" Hog Farm _Talk 02:28, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: Although I haven't gone over all of your points yet, I would like you to take another look at the page since around half of the issues are gone now. Also, you may see my progress at User:NotReallySoroka/Solak. Thanks, NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:29, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I'd rather not go over it again until the sourcing issues are fixed - it looks like from your list that there's still one source-text integrity issue outstanding and then the baseball cube issue. I'd rather not go back over something if it's likely to need to change again before round 2. Hog Farm _Talk 18:38, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I fixed the sourcing issues and most of the problems listed here. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll take another look, hopefully tomorrow. Hog Farm _Talk 04:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. NotReallySoroka (talk) 04:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Wound up being busier than I expected; it's gonna be another day. Hog Farm _Talk 02:47, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

• Any information about his 2015 year in college?
• "as well as a slash line of a .376 batting average, .470 on-base percentage, and a .564 slugging percentage.[17] four home runs, and 26 RBIs in his 42 games played." - something has gone wrong with the sentence breaks here5
• It looks like he was drafted 62nd overall; recommend a source mention
• "(now collegiate summer) Trenton Thunder on August 1" - I don't think it's really useful to mention where the team is now, rather just where it was when Solak played for them
• Did he hit any home runs in 2020?
• " "#2 2014 Vermont Mountaineers". baseball-reference.com. Archived from the original on June 11, 2022. Retrieved June 11, 2022." - the #2 doesn't seem to belong in the source title

This one's looking far better than it did when the review started. Good work so far! Hog Farm _Talk 02:20, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: I have attended to all your suggestions. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:57, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

I'll take another look tomorrow; I don't imagine there's much left to do. Hog Farm _Talk 03:09, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

Passing for GA. There'd need to be some more expansion for FAC, but I think it's fine for GA. Hog Farm _Talk 16:47, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Hog Farm: First, thank you for reviewing this page. There'd need to be some more expansion for FAC: If you have time, what would you recommend? NotReallySoroka (talk) 17:31, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

For FAC, it'll need to be more thorough in its coverage in general. For instance, you'll want to try to find old newspaper coverage to flesh out his college career, most of what's in the MLB bio should be included, and going through all of the available sources to make anything of significance is covered - for instance, his prospect rankings. I've never taken a baseball bio above GA (again, see Pounders as my most recent baseball work and that's from awhile ago). GhostRiver brought Tyler Skaggs to FA, so they might be a better person to ask. Hog Farm _Talk 17:37, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks again. NotReallySoroka (talk) 17:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 22:04, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Nick Solak in 2022

• ... that Nick Solak (pictured) was named after a sports bar? Source: https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2020/02/29/rangers-nick-solak-is-a-south-side-throwback-right-down-to-the-bar-he-was-named-after/
  • ALT1: ... that Nick Solak (pictured) was born exactly 33 years after Chris Bryant? Source: https://www.mlb.com/player/nick-solak-669256
  • Reviewed: (exempt)
  • Comment: This is my second DYK submission. This time, I would like to write an April Fools' hook. I prefer the first hook referring to Solak's namesake, but the second hook (which takes advantage of the Chris Bryant MP - Kris Bryant homophone) also works. Thanks!

Improved to Good Article status by NotReallySoroka (talk). Self-nominated at 17:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Everything checks out. I prefer the first hook to the second, and would change it to ... that American baseball player Nick Solak (pictured) was named after a sports bar?. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 18:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

• @Nehme1499: Thank you for reviewing my DYK promptly. However, I would like to keep my version of the hook if Solak is not pictured, because I think my joke would work better if readers do not expect Solak to be a baseball player. However, if he is pictured, then your hook would be better since the picture already shows him with baseball equipment. Thanks. NotReallySoroka (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I have no issue with this. Though, forgive my ignorance, what would the average reader expect Solak to be? Nehme₁₄₉₉ 23:05, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

@Nehme1499: Sorry for my late reply. I would argue that they would not have much of an expectation on whom Solak is; they might well expect him to be a businessman, politician, or other things. This sets them up for a good surprise when they learn that Solak is a baseball player named after a sports bar (where his parents met). On another note, thank you for adding the "in 2022" to the caption, and the message below may also be of interest be you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

• To the promoter: First, thank you in advance for considering this nomination. Reading through the above conversation, I think the best hooks are either ... that Nick Solak is named for a sports bar? if Solak is not pictured or ... that American baseball player Nick Solak (pictured) is named for a sports bar? if Solak would be pictured. I would prefer named after over named for in both hooks, but I am afraid that it would be overly similar to the source whose first sentence is Nick Solak is named after a sports bar. Moreover, the word "sports" can be removed from either hook to further confuse the reader on April Fools'. Please ping when replying, and thanks again! NotReallySoroka (talk) 05:52, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
  • NotReallySoroka, I've struck ALT1. All hook facts are required to actually be in the article. Yes, you could theoretically add Chris Bryant's birthday to the article, but this is an encyclopedia; we don't add completely unrelated, irrelevant trivia to articles even if it would make for a good hook (which would definitely not be the case here). As for the first hook (well, both of them, actually), if a joke has to be explained, it's probably not a good joke. And if it's still not a joke after being explained, it's a really bad candidate for April Fools' Day. In case it's just me, maybe we can get another opinion: Bueller ... Bueller?  MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM  04:26, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

You rang?

• ALT0 is fine, and reasonably interesting, but it's definitely not an April 1 hook because it doesn't in any way fool the reader. But let me suggest:

  ALT2 ... that baseball player Nick Solak (pictured) was named after the sports bar where his parents first met?

Sorry, I can't endorse ALT1 -- the word "strained" comes to mind. I also don't think the image slot should be wasted on a pic of a guy in dark glasses with a mitt who looks like every other guy in dark glasses with a mitt. I checked the article to see if there's some overlooked hook material, but I'm not seeing anything. Bottom line: I suggest ALT2, without the pic, in the last (quirky) slot. EEng 16:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

• @EEng: I concur. NotReallySoroka (talk) 17:11, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox: "US" or no "US"?

Moved from User talk:Nikkimaria

I have reverted your addition of “US” at the Nick Solak page. Thank you. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:05, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

NotReallySoroka, what is your rationale for that revert? See discussion here. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Few baseball articles use “US” in the infobox. Moreover, your link discussion is only your own comment, when the conclusion did not mention the pertinent issue (“US” in infoboxes). NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:14, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

NotReallySoroka, it's not only my own comment - there are several users who agree on the appropriate format. See also WP:OTHERCONTENT. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:16, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I am not creating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Solak, so I fail to see why WP:OTHERCONTENT matters. Conversely, don’t you think it is good to have a unified format for related article? NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:18, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

NotReallySoroka, I don't see a reason to vary between types of biographies, and I'm also not sure what deletion has to do with the link I provided - perhaps you're thinking of WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I have retracted the pertinent part of my statement. NotReallySoroka (talk) 02:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Great, thanks. Please also revert your revert. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:24, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

I have undone your revert. Although you had linked to our discussion here, you have misrepresented my words; I never explicitly retracted everything, only the "I am not… matters" part. Thanks. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi NotReallySoroka, do you have a rationale for your revert other than OTHERCONTENT? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:01, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I think it would be the best if we were to move this conversation to Talk:Nick Solak and request a third opinion on this issue. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

By all means post your rationale there and we can discuss further. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:04, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: I have moved the conversation, and I will soon request a third opinion. I re-iterate that my rationale to revert your move is to bring the Solak page in line with other baseball biographies. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:11, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

As per the discussion I linked above, biographies - including sports biographies - should include country of birth in birthplace. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:15, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

The discussion's closing statement ("Upon reviewing this discussion… as is the standard format for |birth_place=.") says nothing about whether to "include country of birth in birthplace" - it only says which parameter of a infobox should be used. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

If you read the discussion, several commenters note that the guideline encompasses this provision. Similarly WP:AUDIENCE notes that we write for an international audience - we shouldn't assume people know where the birthplace is if we don't say it. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:28, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

On the other hand, someone in the same discussion argued that "If country is REQUIRED per a guideline (which is how many are editing pages) then the guideline should be explicit about that." NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:30, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

I requested a third opinion. NotReallySoroka (talk) 03:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Answering request for third opinion. While a survey of GA/FA biographical articles on notable people suggests that including the country of birth is the norm, GA/FA articles for sports figures–specifically sports figures only notable in the sport of a single nation–decline using the country of birth if it is concurrent with the country in which they are notable. As such, "US" seems to go against norms in this corner of Wikipedia. Unless universal standards for infoboxes are introduced, I think dropping the country of birth in single-nation sports figures should be considered the standard. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2022 (UTC)