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The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Sourcing for the accent (or lack thereof) is not as good as we would like, but most of the arguments here are conformant with guidelines. Martinez was born and raised and had all his baseball experience in the USA. Things might be different if Martinez had his own web site and wrote his name with the accent there, or if mainstream newspapers that were used to printing accents had covered him more. Sources exist in either direction. The move is supported here only by a small margin, but the rationale is similar to those that have found favor in other move discussions regarding accents. User:BDD's comment offers some of the reasoning that you often see in these discussions. EdJohnston (talk) 17:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Nick Martínez → Nick Martinez --Relisted. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 21:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Accent shouldn't be there per sources. – Yankees10 23:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Which of these sources are authoritative, and which are merely typists who take an easy course and omit the accent? Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:08, 17 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

My general understanding has been that US-born Hispanics don't have the accent. I don't know that for sure. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, that was my thinking.--Yankees10 16:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)Reply

If the accent is actually part of his name, we should use it even if sources don't. If we have no evidence that it is, however, I think we're safe here defaulting to the un-accented version. Americans can have diacritics in their name too, but I don't disagree with assuming they don't by default. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Keep diacritics per sources, if you bother looking for them for, say, 20 seconds. Yankees10: Sports journalism & organizational sources are notorious for not getting this stuff wrong, even being institutionally, systemically, willfully pig-headed about it. Muboshgu: That's not true at all; only someone who doesn't live anywhere near a substantial Hispanic population would believe something like that. BDD: Exactly; we shouldn't impose diacritics without evidence. Thing is, we have plenty of evidence. Closing admin: RS use the accent enough times we know it's real.[1] We don't ignore facts in RS just because other RS don't happen to make note of them (which is not the same thing as actively disputing them as wrong, as no RS does in this case). Virtually every RM that tries to strip diacritics off of names fails for good reasons like this, and there is nothing special about this case. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 06:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)Reply
Comment: I notice that all six of the sources currently [2] cited in the article [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] omit the diacritic. I guess that's what the nominator meant. No vote as yet. Andrewa (talk) 08:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

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