Talk:Nicene Creed

Clarifying note after "mainstream Christianity"

The article currently says "The Nicene Creed is the defining statement of belief of Nicene or mainstream Christianity and in those Christian denominations that adhere to it." I edited it to say "The Nicene Creed is the defining statement of belief of Nicene or mainstream Christianity (not to be confused with Mainline Protestantism, sometimes called Mainstream Protestantism) and in those Christian denominations that adhere to it." @Vif12vf: reverted my change. I asked why they reverted my edit, and they just said it was "unhelpful." I asked what was unhelpful about it, and after twelve days of no response, I reverted their revert. They then re-reverted my revert, and posted a "disruptive editing" warning on my talk page. When I asked why my edit was disruptive, they said "An explanation has already been given. Refrain from making that edit!" I understand that my revert was a mistake and could be seen as edit warring, but the reason for the original revert was never given. I asked on that thread why the original edit was problematic two days ago, and have not had a response.

@Vif12vf: what is problematic about adding the clarifying note to the article? 184.21.204.5 (talk) 01:26, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Italian equivalent

This page lacks the link to the Italian equivalent, which is the article on Simbolo niceno-stantinopolitano, https://it.wiki.x.io/wiki/Simbolo_niceno-costantinopolitano. I tried to add it, and got an obscure error message about another site on wikidata, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q13231188, already being linked to the Italian equivalent, and suggesting a merge but with no instructions about how to merge. I don't know enough to know why a wikipedia link would conflict with a wikidata link, and certainly not enough to know when or how to merge a wikipedia page with the wikidata equivalent.

If anyone wants to tackle this, please do!

FYI, the italian page links back to a subsection of this page, https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Nicene_Creed#Niceno-Constantinopolitan_Creed.

Esb (talk) 02:33, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

381 Nicean Creed has the wrong text?

If the Filioque was not added until the sixth-century, how is the Filioque present in a text from the fourth century? I won’t edit it yet but I think the 381 nicean creed text here should be fixed 2A00:23EE:2878:2CBA:55B3:FB2D:E86:490 (talk) 11:27, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

I assume you're looking at this part?

And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

Easy misunderstanding, and actually maybe the section on the Filioque should be edited for clarity. The Filioque clause comes a little earlier -- it would say "proceedeth from the Father and the Son", if it had the Filioque.— Moriwen (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I think the “and the son” part should be edited from the 381 Nicean-Constantinople creed if it wasn’t there until the 6th century in some Latin texts. I think the sample of “and the son” should be just in the Filioque section 84.71.92.188 (talk) 17:19, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the confusion here is that there are two locations for "and the Son", with the Filioque referring only to the first. So, with Filioque:

And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

And without Filioque:

And in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified, who spake by the prophets.

— Moriwen (talk) 17:22, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

"Nicene/Niceno-Constantinopolitan Creed" instead of "Nicene Creed"?

The formal name of the creed, at least according to WCC's document about the filioque issue, as I understand, is Nicene(Niceno?)-Constantinopolitan Creed.

"Nicene Creed", while commonly used, is arguably an incorrect presentation, and propagates the mis-understanding that the creed as people know it was established in 325.

The entry maybe changed to the full name of the creed, while an auto-redirection added for Nicene Creed?

Reference: Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ. Ecumenical Reflections on the Filioque Controversy, WCC : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive LOyukfai (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Please see WP:COMMONNAME— JFHutson (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

Just wanted to ask about these for Ancient liturgical sections

Got this article from the Citation Hunt and I just wanted to ask about whether these three can be included:

• The Nicene and Apostles' creeds: their literary history; together with an account of the growth and reception of the sermon on the faith commonly called "The creed of St. Athanasius." by Swainson, C. A. (Charles Anthony), 1820-1887
• The creeds of Nicæa; Constantinople; Athanasius; with extracts and remarks bearing on the "Warning Clauses" and the "Procession" by Selwynn, W. (William Selwynn), 1873
• The history and use of Creeds and Anathemas in the early centuries of the church by Turner, C. H. (Cuthbert Hamilton), 1860-1930

RiaDir (talk) 12:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)