Talk:New antisemitism
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editI don't know quite where this belongs, but there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic. That has become increasingly clear since 2016.
In general writing intelligently about claims of new Antisemitism requires look at several factors, e.g.,
- Does the author investigate adverse claims or just take them as true
- Does the author apply the same standards as used for other countries
- Does the author distinguish among, e.g., Israel, Israeli citizens, Jews?
- Does the author put events in context?
Discussing any of these potentially runs afoul of WP:SYNTHESIS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 14:35, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- "pro-Isreal but antisemitic" I do not see much of a contradiction here. Supporting Israel for political reasons does not equate to supporting Jews or supporting the rights of Jewish minorities in various countries. In the last few years, I have encountered Greek far right voters who support an alliance with Israel (against Turkey), but have no problem blaming Jews for every social or economic problem faced by the entire world. Dimadick (talk) 23:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- You two need to read these articles:
- https://www.jpost.com/opinion/terra-incongnita-everyone-i-hate-is-hitler-dangerous-politicization-of-antisemitism-473188
- https://www.commentary.org/articles/robert-wistrich/the-new-war-against-the-jews/
- https://www.jpost.com/blogs/the-warped-mirror/from-al-jazeera-to-columbia-university-joseph-massads-obsession-with-israel-364634
- https://brandeiscenter.com/ali-abunimahs-orwellian-definition-of-anti-semitism/
- The idea that "there are factions in the American political landscape who are pro-Isreal but antisemitic" doesn't hold ground, let alone "has become increasingly clear since 2016". Your anecdote doesn't prove otherwise. Wake up! 69.113.233.201 (talk) 01:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Time Magazine cover story
editThe words "The New Antisemitism" appear in large letters on the cover of the March 11, 2024 issue of Time Magazine... AnonMoos (talk) 15:34, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Lede
editOne of the two key citations for "critics" is the David Hirsh piece that repeatedly refers to the use of antisemitism accusations as a weapon. As such I would suggest it's not controversial to mention "weaponization" in the lede. That's what the RS says. Simonm223 (talk) 18:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think perhaps a better balance can be struck by making it more explicit this is a belief rather than a “concept” (as the lede currently states, and unduly reifies it) Yr Enw (talk) 05:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
Changing wording
editAs the opening of the article implicitly describes the existence of new antisemitism is factual while in reality its existence is highly debated, maybe the wording should be changed to clarify that it's a proposed idea that may or may not be factual? Blepii (talk) 02:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think there's more dispute over the interpretations of the facts than about the actual facts. No informed person of goodwill would deny that some people on the political left hate Jews, but then there are endless No true Scotsman debates about whether hatred of Jews is "baked in" to certain representative and characteristic forms of leftist doctrine, or whether those forms of leftism must be excluded from the definition of "true" valid leftism, or whether it's a mere personalistic aberration of certain individuals etc. etc. ad nauseam... AnonMoos (talk) 19:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AnonMoos The rest of the article still contains plenty of criticism of the concept, it's only the opening sentence that's changed to something that, in my view, has no consensus from reliable sources. The previous opening sentence to me seemed perfectly neutral and factual and the new one just seems like an effort at pushing WP:POV. 22090912l (talk) 17:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think that this issue still deserves more discussion, and I would encourage @Blepii, @AnonMoos and any other interested editor to participate. 22090912l (talk) 17:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 October 2024
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The following line need to be removed or reworded as it is highly subjective.
, typically manifesting itself as anti-Zionism.[1]: 296–297 47.14.91.4 (talk) 00:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- it seems ok to me. why do you object to it? Rainsage (talk) 06:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a tough one. The source doesn't actually talk about "new antisemitism" or describe it as anti-Zionist. Instead, it's referring to its own concept of "new anti-Zionist antisemitism", and it's unclear whether this is the same thing. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done Marking edit request as completed due to no consensus. -OXYLYPSE (talk) 10:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Fastenbauer, Raimund (2020). "Islamic Antisemitism: Jews in the Qur'an, Reflections of European Antisemitism, Political Anti-Zionism: Common Codes and Differences". In Lange, Armin; Mayerhofer, Kerstin; Porat, Dina; Schiffman, Lawrence H. (eds.). An End to Antisemitism! – Volume 2: Confronting Antisemitism from the Perspectives of Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Berlin and Boston: De Gruyter. pp. 279–300. doi:10.1515/9783110671773-018. ISBN 9783110671773.