Talk:New Zealand DX class locomotive
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DXB 5166
editIs it "out of service", as NZ Rail 150 claims, or is it merely "under overhaul"? pcuser42 (talk) 21:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've read elsewhere that it's under overhaul, not out of service. This has been a consistent problem with this editor not reading comments from others. --LJ Holden 03:42, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- I've noticed that as well, although he seemed to take note when I reminded him about date formats.
- Being simply under overhaul would make more sense, as far as I can tell it's relatively minor crash damage, something even Tranz Rail would fix. pcuser42 (talk) 04:50, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
- Assuming good faith, possibly the issue is that "overhaul" is actually a bit too specific to cover the sort of situation DXB 5166 is in - i.e. crash damage repair - hence the reason why the editor keeps changing it to that. It's very frustrating though that he/she isn't reading comments and working with other editors. --LJ Holden 06:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
DXRs still in service?
editWith both DXRs currently stranded north of Kaikoura due to the earthquake, is it worth labelling them as out of service or at least putting something regarding the earthquake in their notes? --Megatronacepticon (talk) 12:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- I'd keep them listed as in service; they're not withdrawn, just trapped. pcuser42 (talk) 18:07, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Class register notability
editI propose the removal of the Class register section, the sole contents of which are a large table tracking individual locomotives. The list seems indiscriminate and unencyclopedic. Furthermore, the piecemeal editing history of the section suggests it's likely original research. – voidxor 01:06, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- I think the most appropriate parallel here would be the discussion that emerged several years ago about television show episode lists that led to the now accepted guidelines. While the show may be notable not every episode is. Where it pertains here is that the locomotive class is notable and a well-written and verifiable description of it is worthy of inclusion, but not every example of the class is notable. As an avid railfan I hate to say it, but I agree that the roster of individual locomotives on this article seems to qualify as fancruft. The table is more appropriate on a personal railroad history website or a railroad historical society website than it is here. It simply goes into too much detail. The table as it is included on this article right now is not encyclopedic content.
- The inverse would be if the individual locomotives of the class were somehow notable. Such is the case on an article like BR Standard Class 9F, where the nine preserved examples of the class are listed in the roster table while the other 242 scrapped or non-preserved locomotives are not. Each of the preserved locomotives is notable in its own right, and listing those in the article about the class is appropriate.
- As for what to do with the list here... First is to reach out to the editors who have been maintaining it. One of them may be willing to userfy it. Failing or simply following that, we remove the table. The content will be preserved in the page history if some of the individual locomotives become notable, and at that time we can build a new, smaller table listing only the notable examples. Slambo (Speak) 15:07, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
- I propose to add the class register to the article again, please, or export it into a separate article or keep it at least handy on the discussion page. I think the request for deleting these tables has not been sufficiently discussed. Although it might be - especially in the case of the DX class - a bit boring, I think the class registers are still notable - especially for steam engines - and should be part of an encylopedia. Just providing links to external web sites is absolutely not sufficient. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- A good compromise might be to collapse the table as shown below. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 21:27, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
- I propose to add the class register to the article again, please, or export it into a separate article or keep it at least handy on the discussion page. I think the request for deleting these tables has not been sufficiently discussed. Although it might be - especially in the case of the DX class - a bit boring, I think the class registers are still notable - especially for steam engines - and should be part of an encylopedia. Just providing links to external web sites is absolutely not sufficient. --NearEMPTiness (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
| Key: | In service | On lease | Out of service | Preserved | Overhaul or repair | Scrapped |
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| TMS No. | Original No. | Livery | Introduced | Withdrawn | Status | Allocated to | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DXB 5016 | 2600 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | North Island | ||
| DXB 5022 | 2601 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5039 | 2602 | KiwiRail Phase 1 | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5051 | 2604 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | North Island | ||
| DXB 5068 | 2605 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | Flat front short hood fitted | |
| DXB 5074 | 2606 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | North Island | 2240 kW engine[1] | |
| DXB 5080 | 2607 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5097 | 2608 | KiwiRail Phase 1 | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5108 | 2609 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | North Island | ||
| DXB 5114 | 2610 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5120 | 2611 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5137 | 2612 | KiwiRail Phase 1 | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | Differs from other Phase 1 liveries with yellow cab sides and rear in place of grey | |
| DXB 5143 | 2613 | KiwiRail Phase 1 | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXB 5166 | 2614 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5172 | 2615 | KiwiRail | Dec 1975 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5189 | 2616 | KiwiRail | Dec 1975 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5195 | 2617 | KiwiRail | Dec 1975 | In service | South Island | Flat front short hood fitted; derailed by a washout into the Rangitata River, January 2002 | |
| DXC 5206 | 2618 | KiwiRail | Dec 1975 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5212 | 2619 | KiwiRail | Jan 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5229 | 2620 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | Flat front short hood fitted; collided head on with DX 5235 (Now DXR 8022) near Middleton Yard, December 2000 | |
| DXC 5241 | 2622 | KiwiRail | Jan 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5258 | 2623 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5264 | 2624 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | Flat front short hood fitted | |
| DXC 5270 | 2625 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5287 | 2626 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5293 | 2627 | KiwiRail Phase 1 | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5304 | 2628 | KiwiRail | Feb 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5310 | 2629 | KiwiRail | March 1976 | In service | South Island | Sustained major damage after derailing near Pukehou, November 1995. Took a 50 km/h curve at 90 km/h. Rebuilt with DXR style longhood. | |
| DXC 5327 | 2630 | KiwiRail | Aug 1976 | In service | South Island | Flat front short hood fitted. Collision with several coal wagons, Cass crossing station, November 2008. Substantial damage to left side of cab. | |
| DXC 5333 | 2631 | KiwiRail | March 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5356 | 2632 | KiwiRail | September 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5379 | 2634 | KiwiRail | Apr 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5385 | 2635 | KiwiRail | Apr 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5391 | 2636 | KiwiRail | Apr 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5402 | 2637 | KiwiRail | September 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5419 | 2638 | KiwiRail | May 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| 2639 | Clockwork Orange | May 1976 | March 23, 1977 | Scrapped | North Island | Crashed near Newmarket,[2] scrapped September 1978[1] | |
| DXC 5425 | 2640 | KiwiRail | May 1976 | In service | South Island | Fitted with an anticlimber | |
| DXC 5431 | 2641 | KiwiRail | Jul 1976 | In service | South Island | Caught fire near Invercargill on 1 August 2014[3] | |
| DXB 5448 | 2642 | KiwiRail | Jul 1976 | In service | South Island | Involvement in a fatal collision at Waipahi in October 1999 with DFT 7254 (now DFB 7348) and DC 4202 | |
| DXC 5454 | 2643 | KiwiRail | May 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5460 | 2644 | KiwiRail | Jul 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5477 | 2645 | KiwiRail | Jun 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5483 | 2646 | KiwiRail | Jul 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5500 | 2647 | KiwiRail | Aug 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5517 | 2648 | KiwiRail | Aug 1976 | In service | South Island | ||
| DXC 5520 | 2603 | KiwiRail | Nov 1972 | In service | South Island | Formerly DX 5045. Returning to service following fatal derailment at Te Wera in 2002. Flat front short hood fitted. | |
| DXR 8007 | 2633 | KiwiRail | Apr 1976 | Under overhaul | South Island | Formerly DX 5362. Rebuilt 1993 & 2006. General Electric model C30-8Mi. Under overhaul at Hutt Workshops.[4] | |
| DXR 8022 | 2621 | KiwiRail | Jan 1976 | Under overhaul | South Island | Formerly DX 5235. Rebuilt 2003. General Electric model C30-8Mi. Under overhaul at Hutt Workshops. |
References
- ^ a b David Parsons (2002). New Zealand Railway Motive Power 2002. New Zealand Railway and Locomotive Society. ISBN 0908573782.
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
Danger Aheadwas invoked but never defined (see the help page). - ^ "Flickr picture showing DXC 5431 after fire".
- ^ "Railfan". 24 (1). Triple M Publications. December 2017. ISSN 1173-2229.
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References
editWe've still got a tag at the top of the article asking for inline citations which I beleive are now adequate. Thoughts anyone? --LJ Holden 01:44, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
DXE class
editIs this rebuild program a replacement program for new locomotives, which are mentioned in the withdrawals? --LJ Holden 20:51, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
From what I've heard, the DXEs are gonna be the last of the class to be replaced by the so-called "DSI" locos (DSI = Diesel South Island). -- Easyg777 —Preceding undated comment added 03:03, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, so the section stating that the locomotives will be replaced is still correct? --LJ Holden 06:56, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
- Finally read the Railfan mag - it states that the new locos won't proceed for now. --LJ Holden 08:57, 22 April 2019 (UTC)